Pre orders & lead time.

[centenary]

Accurascale announce new release of OO scale Mark 2b\c carriages. Expected availability 3rd quarter 2026. Absolute joke.

[FatController]

I gave up on Accurascale when my one and only Class 55 Deltic order placed in November 2018 arrived in June 2022. I knew I was going to have to wait as it was a new release and wasn't in production, but strewth! I appreciate we had Covid starting in 2020 but even so.
("These models are expected to be released in late 2019.")
Lovely model but that's a bonkers time to to wait.

[Bigmet]

With two exceptions (from the NRM/Locomotion partnered with Bachmann and Rapido: there were special considerations, low price that had to be a 'never likely to be repeated' offer, and voting rights for the in-service tender, respectively) I wait until the items are available on sale. Don't care which brand, I want to see it to make sure it's the right stuff.

Dodged quite a number of duds this way over the last 24 years, without the need to return for refund as 'unfit for purpose': starting with Heljan's first version 47, wrong shape, and turned out to be afflicted with mazak rot, and most recently Accurascale's Deltic with underscale wheels - If you advertise 'accura' then you must deliver...

[glencairn]

I prefer (in the main) to purchase from my local model shop. (Yes I have one.)
From elsewhere I like to purchase what is in store.

Having said that, I have two 'Manning Wardle' locomotives on Pre-order. Hopefully they arrive later this year.

Some of the long wait times on pre-orders are (to me) beyond a joke and I would stay away from even if interested.

Glencairn

[aleopardstail]

with the N gauge layout I had a Dapol class 86 on pre-order, it said it was due out at some point the previous year for quite a while before it finally dropped

at which point I cancelled it as I was no longer working in N

I no longer pre-order things, I have little confidence in arrival any time soon, its hard to plan for and the initial price seems to often not be held either

[4472]

Pardon me for being a little cynical but sometimes I feel that pre-ordering is sometimes a way of garnering capital to fund the project. No proof that would stand up in a court, Just 80 years of living on this planet

[Dad-1]

Ha, 4472,

At our age the wait could be too long !! (Say I at 83)
I can't recall when Rapido confirmed production plans for an "Ivor",
but I have one on Pre-Order, with payment commitment on Card, not
to be taken until imminent despatch.

Currently delivery quoted non-specific 2026.

I promised myself I wouldn't do it after waiting for the Hornby big GWR
tanks - I think it was 2 years ?
I do need time for that Ivor layout build, scenery, station, Water Tower,
engine shed. Perhaps mid 2026 will suit me ?

Geoff T.

Geoff T.

[mattmay05]

Accurascale announce new release of OO scale Mark 2b\c carriages. Expected availability 3rd quarter 2026. Absolute joke.

A year is that all?

Blimey patients... I mean jeez, I have waited 5 years for models in the past, one recent one 4 years... and that was well a disaster...
I have heard of labor shortages in China as well as some electrical components as well which has been on going for a while.

These days I do not pre order, as people are short of cash so they are waiting for 6 - 8 weeks when prices start to drop.
With Rapido's pre-order book kind of guarantees them they will definitely sell... although some peoples financial situations have change.. E1's took 2/3 years?

As long as the model is good, reliable and mostly correct I don't mind waiting.

Bachmann, used to be many years, they trialed a announcement when they are on a boat... guess what people complained they didn't have enough time to save... so damned if you do... damned if you don't.

Can't pleased every body.

[centenary]

Accurascale announce new release of OO scale Mark 2b\c carriages. Expected availability 3rd quarter 2026. Absolute joke.

A year is that all?

Blimey patients... I mean jeez, I have waited 5 years for models in the past, one recent one 4 years... and that was well a disaster...
I have heard of labor shortages in China as well as some electrical components as well which has been on going for a while.

These days I do not pre order, as people are short of cash so they are waiting for 6 - 8 weeks when prices start to drop.
With Rapido's pre-order book kind of guarantees them they will definitely sell... although some peoples financial situations have change.. E1's took 2/3 years?

As long as the model is good, reliable and mostly correct I don't mind waiting.

Bachmann, used to be many years, they trialed a announcement when they are on a boat... guess what people complained they didn't have enough time to save... so damned if you do... damned if you don't.

Can't pleased every body.

Yes, over a year for a second run of a model that has just been been brought to market is laughable. Unlike your quoted example of a completely new model, this second run doesnt need development, production of new moulds and likely an injection of money (see what I did there?) to fund the whole manufacturing process.

Overall, I think you're missing my point. Clearly, floating an idea of a completely new model to market does take longer than a second production run, for obvious reasons.

[aleopardstail]

Pardon me for being a little cynical but sometimes I feel that pre-ordering is sometimes a way of garnering capital to fund the project. No proof that would stand up in a court, Just 80 years of living on this planet

oh it is, I think many are quite open if they take deposits that this is what its for, its sort of a "kick starter" thing these days - it also shows them yes they will shift the minimum they need to to break even and hit the profit target

as well as "oh my we could shift a thousand more here, maybe need to up the size of the run"

[aleopardstail]

Accurascale announce new release of OO scale Mark 2b\c carriages. Expected availability 3rd quarter 2026. Absolute joke.

A year is that all?

Blimey patients... I mean jeez, I have waited 5 years for models in the past, one recent one 4 years... and that was well a disaster...
I have heard of labor shortages in China as well as some electrical components as well which has been on going for a while.

These days I do not pre order, as people are short of cash so they are waiting for 6 - 8 weeks when prices start to drop.
With Rapido's pre-order book kind of guarantees them they will definitely sell... although some peoples financial situations have change.. E1's took 2/3 years?

As long as the model is good, reliable and mostly correct I don't mind waiting.

Bachmann, used to be many years, they trialed a announcement when they are on a boat... guess what people complained they didn't have enough time to save... so damned if you do... damned if you don't.

Can't pleased every body.

Yes, over a year for a second run of a model that has just been been brought to market is laughable. Unlike your quoted example of a completely new model, this second run doesnt need development, production of new moulds and likely an injection of money (see what I did there?) to fund the whole manufacturing process.

Overall, I think you're missing my point. Clearly, floating an idea of a completely new model to market does take longer than a second production run, for obvious reasons.

thing is, Acurascale like most companies don't actually make anything, design it yes, but manufacture is outsourced.

that year could be the time required to get the manufacturing slot

very few companies are not in that position, the only hobby related one that springs to mind is Games workshop who not only make their own models in their own factory, but also make their own tooling for the injection moulding machines

[centenary]

...... and most recently Accurascale's Deltic with underscale wheels - If you advertise 'accura' then you must deliver...

Seems Accurascale have dropped the ball again with their OO scale Buckjumper? Currently involved in a bit of a spat with Sam of Sam's Trains who did a review on the model.

According to Accurascale, all (their emphasis) Buckjumpers have fitted speakers as standard. Except Sam's didnt which he pointed out in his on line review. Accurascale got a bit naughty and said in an RM Web post now deleted, if he'd investigated instead of doing the review 'just for clicks,' he'd have found the speakers under the enclosure.

Only problem is others have now reported that speakers havent been fitted to their's either.

Now, this could be yet another factory error and speakers have only been fitted to sound fitted versions but it is a little embarassing for Accurascale. Apparently, they've had a spate with Footplate models as well who have decided to no longer sell Accurascale!

Pass the popcorn!

[Morayshire]

Nah. I'll settle for a big bag of maltesers instead (purely because I don't like popcorn).

Back on topic. The long lead in times can be useful. Gives time to make sure the cash is there for when the product finally arrives for something I really really want.

[mattmay05]

Accurascale announce new release of OO scale Mark 2b\c carriages. Expected availability 3rd quarter 2026. Absolute joke.

A year is that all?

Blimey patients... I mean jeez, I have waited 5 years for models in the past, one recent one 4 years... and that was well a disaster...
I have heard of labor shortages in China as well as some electrical components as well which has been on going for a while.

These days I do not pre order, as people are short of cash so they are waiting for 6 - 8 weeks when prices start to drop.
With Rapido's pre-order book kind of guarantees them they will definitely sell... although some peoples financial situations have change.. E1's took 2/3 years?

As long as the model is good, reliable and mostly correct I don't mind waiting.

Bachmann, used to be many years, they trialed a announcement when they are on a boat... guess what people complained they didn't have enough time to save... so damned if you do... damned if you don't.

Can't pleased every body.

Yes, over a year for a second run of a model that has just been been brought to market is laughable. Unlike your quoted example of a completely new model, this second run doesnt need development, production of new moulds and likely an injection of money (see what I did there?) to fund the whole manufacturing process.


Overall, I think you're missing my point. Clearly, floating an idea of a completely new model to market does take longer than a second production run, for obvious reasons.

Not really laughable if you don't know how it works... bit like your punctuation.
Every run, needs a production slow. So even if it's just been done... the factory in question maybe working on another model from someone else or the same manufacturer... so another run will have to wait a turn in the queue.
This could be 18 months.

From a new model standpoint now manufacturers will have been working on this 3/4 years prior before announcing, so yes longer, but also same limitations, production slots, and also labor shortages.

Having worked with model factories in China, the delays and limited production slots are because there are a lot more manufacturers now... and there's only so many skilled workers and also time.

[centenary]

A year is that all?

Blimey patients... I mean jeez, I have waited 5 years for models in the past, one recent one 4 years... and that was well a disaster...
I have heard of labor shortages in China as well as some electrical components as well which has been on going for a while.

These days I do not pre order, as people are short of cash so they are waiting for 6 - 8 weeks when prices start to drop.
With Rapido's pre-order book kind of guarantees them they will definitely sell... although some peoples financial situations have change.. E1's took 2/3 years?

As long as the model is good, reliable and mostly correct I don't mind waiting.

Bachmann, used to be many years, they trialed a announcement when they are on a boat... guess what people complained they didn't have enough time to save... so damned if you do... damned if you don't.

Can't pleased every body.

Yes, over a year for a second run of a model that has just been been brought to market is laughable. Unlike your quoted example of a completely new model, this second run doesnt need development, production of new moulds and likely an injection of money (see what I did there?) to fund the whole manufacturing process.


Overall, I think you're missing my point. Clearly, floating an idea of a completely new model to market does take longer than a second production run, for obvious reasons.

Not really laughable if you don't know how it works... bit like your punctuation.
Every run, needs a production slow. So even if it's just been done... the factory in question maybe working on another model from someone else or the same manufacturer... so another run will have to wait a turn in the queue.
This could be 18 months.

From a new model standpoint now manufacturers will have been working on this 3/4 years prior before announcing, so yes longer, but also same limitations, production slots, and also labor shortages.

Having worked with model factories in China, the delays and limited production slots are because there are a lot more manufacturers now... and there's only so many skilled workers and also time.

LOL. Punctuation? Seriously, you're going there? Yes, it's a forum not an A leve English grammar lesson. Ive see spelling mistakes on here in other posts and mine but I dont make a (sad) point of pulling a poster about it.

OK, if you're happy with the long lead times (or one of the manufacturer's mouthpieces like in the recent case with Sam's Trains) crack on. You either dislike them or put up with them, I suppose.

Oh and I'll place you on my ignore list. Maybe you want to do the same with me?