Railfreight / Trainload freight train
Railfreight / Trainload freight train
So, I'm gathering some things to run on my layout. I'm aiming for, I think, early - mid 1990s era around or just before privatisation. I've had for quite some time a class 91 Intercity passenger train (now has 6 coaches and dummy rear car), I'm not really going for this has to be absolutely accurate and have the right number of coaches thing, that would be a bit long for my layout. I also have a RES parcels train, might get a couple more coaches for that. The other thing I'd like to get, and I think that would fit in this era, is a Railfreight, or Trainload freight train. I like the look of the class 37 "Distribution sector". I have also started to gather a few wagons for this train, but I'm wondering if I have the right ones as I saw them on a layout which is based slightly earlier.
This is the loco I'd like (or similar):
This is the stock I have started to buy:
Also, I've looked at some images online, it appears some of these are used, but also some other wagons such as containers I think, maybe other 'closed vans'. Anyone know for sure what these would pull?
Thanks
This is the loco I'd like (or similar):
This is the stock I have started to buy:
Also, I've looked at some images online, it appears some of these are used, but also some other wagons such as containers I think, maybe other 'closed vans'. Anyone know for sure what these would pull?
Thanks
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Re: Railfreight / Trainload freight train
My knowledge on this is a little sketchy, so others might be more assistance than I.
Railfreight Sectors came about in the late 80s. The Sectors would have officially lasted until around 95-97, though the liveries would live on well into privatisation.
The Railfreight Distribution Sector dealt with the Speedlink Network (until 1991), Trainload network (until 1993), Freightliner network (until 1995) and European freight movements The class 37 locos (that you have posted pictures of) would have been in the Speedlink and Trainload part of the business, though I cannot rule out their use on other freight trains. Speedlink ceased operation in 1991 and in 1993 Trainload was split into Mainline Freight, Loadhaul and Transrail, each operating over a given part of the rail network. I believe all the 37s moved into the three Trainload company fleets in 1993.
Speedlink was developed from "wagonload" freight trains, in other words, small quantities of freight put into wagons and hauled to a local marshalling yard. They were connected to other small loads heading in vaguely the same direction and hauled to another marshalling yard closer to the destination, where they would be split up again and hauled onward to the destination. Speedlink itself was for the faster freight trains.
Trainload pretty much speaks for itself, enough freight to be moved in whole trains from one place to another, things like coal from pits and, in later times, the docks, china clay from Cornwall, and aggregates trains from Quarries.
I think I am right in saying that the wagons you have there are suitable for Speedlink trains.
Railfreight Sectors came about in the late 80s. The Sectors would have officially lasted until around 95-97, though the liveries would live on well into privatisation.
The Railfreight Distribution Sector dealt with the Speedlink Network (until 1991), Trainload network (until 1993), Freightliner network (until 1995) and European freight movements The class 37 locos (that you have posted pictures of) would have been in the Speedlink and Trainload part of the business, though I cannot rule out their use on other freight trains. Speedlink ceased operation in 1991 and in 1993 Trainload was split into Mainline Freight, Loadhaul and Transrail, each operating over a given part of the rail network. I believe all the 37s moved into the three Trainload company fleets in 1993.
Speedlink was developed from "wagonload" freight trains, in other words, small quantities of freight put into wagons and hauled to a local marshalling yard. They were connected to other small loads heading in vaguely the same direction and hauled to another marshalling yard closer to the destination, where they would be split up again and hauled onward to the destination. Speedlink itself was for the faster freight trains.
Trainload pretty much speaks for itself, enough freight to be moved in whole trains from one place to another, things like coal from pits and, in later times, the docks, china clay from Cornwall, and aggregates trains from Quarries.
I think I am right in saying that the wagons you have there are suitable for Speedlink trains.
Re: Railfreight / Trainload freight train
hi Theone
Ive not got alot of knowelge on the 1990s as i was just a toddeler then but i am fascinated by that era, for some reason, and am setting my layout in the 1990s right trough to 2020 when the director of my layout reintroduced Speedlink workings
But i bought some dvds called Railfreight Today, and there was 10 made coverign all of the uk and ireland, (i think) and are all recorded during the 90s and show all the loco liverys, and all freight workings including some MOD workings, some cab rides, and are a wealth of classic footage of the time
heres a link to some
http://www.amazon.co.uk/10-Pack-freight ... B000OCYFDC
sorry for the total lack of knowlege, but hope the dvds help plus there something good to watch,
Mark
Ive not got alot of knowelge on the 1990s as i was just a toddeler then but i am fascinated by that era, for some reason, and am setting my layout in the 1990s right trough to 2020 when the director of my layout reintroduced Speedlink workings
But i bought some dvds called Railfreight Today, and there was 10 made coverign all of the uk and ireland, (i think) and are all recorded during the 90s and show all the loco liverys, and all freight workings including some MOD workings, some cab rides, and are a wealth of classic footage of the time
heres a link to some
http://www.amazon.co.uk/10-Pack-freight ... B000OCYFDC
sorry for the total lack of knowlege, but hope the dvds help plus there something good to watch,
Mark
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Re: Railfreight / Trainload freight train
37406 in Railfreight Distribution is an extremely flexible loco choice
Officially this loco would have been used on freight duties between Mossend (Motherwell / Glasgow) to Oban / Fort William (West Highland Line)
It also saw use on the sleeper between Fort William and Edinburgh
The loco could also been seen rarely on other freight duties across Scotland, such as between Mossend and Inverness
Finally, the loco saw some use on the summer loco hauledpassenger trains along the WHL in the following three years after the sprinters had been introduced
Now as you have a Class 91 and Mark 4 coaches, the only overlap would have been at Edinburgh
You have advised you have a train in RES livery, but not what the loco is
I assume this is a Class 47, and all three liveries would easily have been seen between 1991 and 1996
Back to the Class 37 in Railfreight Distribution
If the train is going to be hauling freight only, then you are looking for a Class 37/0
In this livery such trains could be seen hauling pretty much anything, except coal, petroleum and construction wagons
However, even that would have been possible as the locos swapped between sub-sectors but were rarely corrected
As a Class 37/4 the freight trains were generally shorter (as there is a limit to train length on the West Highland Line) and equally would be mixed
Therefore the wagons you already have are ideal, ie OBA and VDA
You could also include small petroleum wagons as these too were moved along the WHL, ie TTA
Larger wagons were used to move timber, ie OTA
Chemicals would also be moved in PCA, and those of Alcan would be seen quite often (in some cases an entire train)
Finally, this same loco could be used to haul a small passenger train (but not the Mark 4 coaches you already have, that would have been VERY rare)
Officially this loco would have been used on freight duties between Mossend (Motherwell / Glasgow) to Oban / Fort William (West Highland Line)
It also saw use on the sleeper between Fort William and Edinburgh
The loco could also been seen rarely on other freight duties across Scotland, such as between Mossend and Inverness
Finally, the loco saw some use on the summer loco hauledpassenger trains along the WHL in the following three years after the sprinters had been introduced
Now as you have a Class 91 and Mark 4 coaches, the only overlap would have been at Edinburgh
You have advised you have a train in RES livery, but not what the loco is
I assume this is a Class 47, and all three liveries would easily have been seen between 1991 and 1996
Back to the Class 37 in Railfreight Distribution
If the train is going to be hauling freight only, then you are looking for a Class 37/0
In this livery such trains could be seen hauling pretty much anything, except coal, petroleum and construction wagons
However, even that would have been possible as the locos swapped between sub-sectors but were rarely corrected
As a Class 37/4 the freight trains were generally shorter (as there is a limit to train length on the West Highland Line) and equally would be mixed
Therefore the wagons you already have are ideal, ie OBA and VDA
You could also include small petroleum wagons as these too were moved along the WHL, ie TTA
Larger wagons were used to move timber, ie OTA
Chemicals would also be moved in PCA, and those of Alcan would be seen quite often (in some cases an entire train)
Finally, this same loco could be used to haul a small passenger train (but not the Mark 4 coaches you already have, that would have been VERY rare)
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Re: Railfreight / Trainload freight train
Thanks for the replies folks! I'm going to keep an eye out for a class 37, I'm not overly fussed on exact location accuracy. I'm going for east coast mainline kinda thing (with the IC 225). The RES train is being pulled by a Class 86 RES livery.
So with the class 37 did they haul a great mixture of different wagons? Other than the ones I have, is there anything particular I should look out for?
Also for a bit of a layman, could you explain what the abbreviations mean? - OBA, VDA etc. Much thanks!
PS. For the class 37, does anyone rate either Bachmann or ViTrains, one more favourably than the other?
So with the class 37 did they haul a great mixture of different wagons? Other than the ones I have, is there anything particular I should look out for?
Also for a bit of a layman, could you explain what the abbreviations mean? - OBA, VDA etc. Much thanks!
PS. For the class 37, does anyone rate either Bachmann or ViTrains, one more favourably than the other?
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Re: Railfreight / Trainload freight train
You could pretty much choose any wagons, except coalTheOne wrote:So with the class 37 did they haul a great mixture of different wagons? Other than the ones I have, is there anything particular I should look out for?
It might be easier for you to provide a list of wagons that interest you, then I can rate them from 0 (no chance) to 10 (most definitely)
The first letter is the wagon type - Open, Van, Hopper, etcTheOne wrote:Also for a bit of a layman, could you explain what the abbreviations mean? - OBA, VDA etc.
The second letter is sequential and refers to the generation or version
The third letter is the brake type - Vacuum, Air, X (Dual), O (None)
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Re: Railfreight / Trainload freight train
Thanks m8internet! So, stuff like these:
1. http://r.ebay.com/n3nBYC
2. http://r.ebay.com/6LSwe3
3. http://r.ebay.com/af6gSE
4. http://r.ebay.com/j5Ok4j <<Railfreight metals train maybe?
5. http://r.ebay.com/DYrLnh
6. http://r.ebay.com/8Jg5My
1. http://r.ebay.com/n3nBYC
2. http://r.ebay.com/6LSwe3
3. http://r.ebay.com/af6gSE
4. http://r.ebay.com/j5Ok4j <<Railfreight metals train maybe?
5. http://r.ebay.com/DYrLnh
6. http://r.ebay.com/8Jg5My
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Re: Railfreight / Trainload freight train
1 YesTheOne wrote:Thanks m8internet! So, stuff like these:
1. http://r.ebay.com/n3nBYC
2. http://r.ebay.com/6LSwe3
3. http://r.ebay.com/af6gSE
4. http://r.ebay.com/j5Ok4j <<Railfreight metals train maybe?
5. http://r.ebay.com/DYrLnh
6. http://r.ebay.com/8Jg5My
2 Yes
3 Yes (although livery is slightly earlier)
4 I will come back to the BAA wagon
5 Yes
6 Yes
The BAA wagon wouldn't really be seen in a mixed freight (distribution) consist
They were mainly used in large rakes hauled by pairs of Class 86, Class 87 or Class 37 locos
As you have rightly identified you could look at this in the future as a Metals train
A single Class 37 could easily be seen with a short rake of 5 or 6 of these wagons
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Re: Railfreight / Trainload freight train
Cool, thanks! Sorry, one other question. Would a brake van be used?
Such as: http://r.ebay.com/it4T6e
Found a few photos...
One carrying a reasonably long haul of timber..
https://www.flickr.com/photos/yorkshire ... 512362699/
A selection of various containers:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/24292321@N02/2899059820/
And other stuff
https://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/6072832642/
Such as: http://r.ebay.com/it4T6e
Found a few photos...
One carrying a reasonably long haul of timber..
https://www.flickr.com/photos/yorkshire ... 512362699/
A selection of various containers:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/24292321@N02/2899059820/
And other stuff
https://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/6072832642/
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Re: Railfreight / Trainload freight train
Brake vans ceased on freight trains pretty much in the late 1970s, hence why some carried this livery well into the 1990sTheOne wrote:Cool, thanks! Sorry, one other question. Would a brake van be used?
However, the only one you might have seen these on in the late 1980s and early 1990s was the Nuclear Flask train
However, brake vans continued in use on what were known as Departmental Trains
These were modified with debris collectors and named Shark (see below)
Again, search Department or the later Civil Engineers (Dutch for rather obvious reasons once you've seen it) livery
Your Class 37 loco could easily be seen on one of these such trains, as the locos would most likely be spare at weekends and for some locations this was ideal
Departmental wagon types also carried (marine related) names to make it easier for staff to identify
Sturgeon, Sealion, Dogfish are good examples
You will also note the wagon designation is similar to those when in their original railfreight use
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Thanks all for your replies!
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Re: Railfreight / Trainload freight train
One comment I would add is that your wagons should be well weathered, I don't think I ever saw any of these wagons in pristine condition.
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Re: Railfreight / Trainload freight train
I think will be looking into that Jim, as you say might look a bit off if they're shiny, brand spanking new!