Update on 4472 'Flying Scotsman'

[poliss]

If the Coronations could only do 114mph on LMS tracks, what makes you think a Bulleid pacific could go faster on Southern rails, well known as being the worst in the country especially after the war. Just because you read something in a book doesn't make it true. You need proper measurements from a dynamometer car to authenticate records. A speedometer on the loco isn't good evidence. The wheels might be slipping. There are all sorts of problems using stopwatches to measure speed. Are the mileposts etc. the correct distance apart. Was the observer looking backward when taking the first measurement and forwards taking the second? Was the stopwatch accurate?
I know about the PRR claims Zunnan. They never used a dynamometer car either. The only loco to come close to Mallard was the German 05.

[thomas the plank engine]

Is there any steam loco running today that on purely a paper exercise actually capably of beating MALLARDS world speed record. If so what, but it must have exactly the same amount of rolling stock and in the same locoation where Mallard achieved world fame. Infact is it even possible to still run that length of track today.

Ian

[Bushey Troughs]

Mallard did 126mph even with the valve gear not aligned properly. LMS locos coulda, woulda, shoulda, but they didna. It's not the LNERs fault that the LMS were rubbish at laying track properly.

Mallard didn't do 126mph, Gresley refused to sign off on it. He said it was 125mph, but the press run the unsubstantiated figure, and it stuck. Remember it was going downhill with a 7 coach train with a dozen people aboard.

It doesn't take the brains of Albert Einstein, to know that a Princess Coronation is twice the locomotive.

[kennyGWSR]

Guys can we please get back on topic? Someone make a speed discussion thread and continue it there.
4472 is due on a test from Bury to York on the 31st May, two days before Railfest starts.

[thomas the plank engine]

Point taken Kenny sorry mate for hijacking the topic

Ian

[beeman]

Just like women the pretty ones are always trouble

Lol

An old Boss of mine used to say ' Marry one as foul as a pig, she will never leave you ,no one will want her !.' Sorry for the off topic drift but seemed apt. Beeman

[beeman]

Seeing this post has drifted try this one, Reckon it kills some of the arguments over the A4 front and smoke when at speed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmMvwoks ... AAAAAAAFAA Beeman.

[ste234]

Now that is shifting! Wow!


Back on topic, I hope they have Scotsman running properly soon, it has been dragging on a long time now, then again, better to have it in the workshop now than possibly failing later!

[luckymucklebackit]

Agree with that. With a high profile preserved locomotive such as Flying Scotsman, any major failure in service would attract all the wrong publicity from the usual suspects in the tabloid press, not to mention the fines that Railtrack impose for knock on delays to normal services.

Jim

[kennyGWSR]

When i read what you put Jim i automatically thought 60163 Tornado...

[bocaj]

Guys can we please get back on topic? Someone make a speed discussion thread and continue it there.
4472 is due on a test from Bury to York on the 31st May, two days before Railfest starts.

Wow, that's good. I might go see her.

[markh]

Guys can we please get back on topic? Someone make a speed discussion thread and continue it there.
4472 is due on a test from Bury to York on the 31st May, two days before Railfest starts.

Wow, that's good. I might go see her.

while she completed by then.
With all this talk about who had the fastest loco has got me lost last i heared she was in bits scattered around a work shop that was months ago what state is she in now

[Essex2Visuvesi]

Still in bits... just a few less

[siquelme]

The Scotsman is out of the Olympic Torch Dream now.. tho bit confused why the Scots Guardsman is the replacement tho? I would of prefered to have seen something eles even Hogwarts Castle would be abetter choice

National Railway Museum’s Olympic Torch Dream Extinguished as Flying Scotsman Falls at the Last Hurdle

Published 19th March 2012
National Railway Museum Admits Defeat as Flying Scotsman’s Return to Service is Delayed Until July

The National Railway Museum (NRM) announced on March 16 that their £5m locomotive, No. 103 Flying Scotsman will not now be carrying the Olympic Torch on June 20 from York to Thirsk. The engine cost roughly £2m to purchase and the rest is in overhaul costs, roughly the same amount as it cost to build the new A1 class locomotive No. 60163 Tornado.

Flying Scotsman has been subject to a protracted overhaul at the NRM’s workshops and at Ian Riley’s Locomotive workshops at Bury in Lancashire. The engine was steamed a year ago and presented as ready for action but cracks in the frames were found at the last minute necessitating a full strip down again.
1936 Film Star to Carry Olympic Torch

The replacement locomotive is the West Coast Railways owned LMS Royal Scot No. 46115 Scots Guardsman. This has always been the reserve engine and is itself a large part of railway history, starring in the iconic 1936 film, Night Mail.
Time Challenge

Flying Scotsman’s unavailability is due to further essential remedial work required that has been identified in the past week and which involves the manufacture of new parts. Whilst technically unchallenging, the work will be time consuming to undertake and will not be completed until July at the earliest.
Daunting Cost and Time Challenge

The task of repairing any historic vehicle as old as Flying Scotsman is always difficult, with many similar projects having been fraught with difficulties and the six year restoration of the iconic locomotive has been affected by problems that have resulted in increasing project timescales and costs.

During the restoration, the locomotive has been completely disassembled, every component inspected and the engine entirely rebuilt. Old parts have been repaired and new parts have been made – all of them individually because parts for old locomotives are not of a standard size.

It’s this level of detail that makes the process so long winded, but this also ensures that Flying Scotsman will be fit to operate for many years to come. Delivering a restoration of this quality, rather than compromising by providing quick fix solutions, has led to the difficult decision to accept further delays.
Investigation Underway

Although many of these setbacks could not have been foreseen and are part of the nature of a project of this kind, the Director of the National Railway Museum has launched an internal investigation that is currently underway to examine all engineering aspects of the project and to identify any lessons that can be learnt for future projects.
They Said:

Steve Davies, Director of the National Railway Museum, said:

“Whilst we share the public’s huge disappointment that Flying Scotsman is unable to carry the Olympic Flame, Scots Guardsman is a suitably prestigious locomotive and we are certain it will rise to the occasion of these Olympic duties.

“Flying Scotsman is almost 90 years old and is the sole survivor of its class. Its restoration is one of the most complex engineering projects of its kind ever undertaken in Britain and there have been a number of points like this where unforeseen issues have arisen that have caused delays and we share the public’s frustration that the locomotive is not yet in steam.

“A project of this complexity was always going to take many years to complete to ensure a high quality locomotive that is fit to run for many more years. We are absolutely committed to seeing Flying Scotsman back in steam and I look forward to being able to announce some good news about its return once the restoration is finally complete.”
Railfest to Miss Flying Scotsman?

It is unclear whether the engine will miss the NRM’s Railfest event in early June, but rail.co.uk will keep you informed.

[Foo]

Surely Truro would be a better replacement or has she gone us too?