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Stokestation12
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Done a little bit of track laying.

The outer loop is around a third done. Started on the through line in the fiddle yard.
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I've actually made the curves here larger than 5th radius. The reasoning is so that I can have several smaller sidings running along the inside of the through line for DMU's or smaller rakes, such as the class 26 with a couple of railfreight wagons. The longer rakes will then go off to the left/top.



Also had a play with the mk4s; the class 90 will happily pull x7 hornby mk4s with a dvt, no wheel slippage or stalling. I tried swapping the bogies over from a hornby to the Lima but they are different sizes. I did the same with the wheels but again, different sizes and tolerances.
Either way, I've now got a rake of 7 mk4s happily going around the inner loop curves.

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Latest headache is the bachmann class 158. Just suddenly stopped moving but the motor was whirring and making a strained noise; possibly a gear part has broke. Not opened it up yet to have a look.
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Stokestation12 wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2024 12:22 am ...Latest headache is the bachmann class 158. Just suddenly stopped moving but the motor was whirring and making a strained noise; possibly a gear part has broke. Not opened it up yet to have a look.
Not having ever looked at one of these, that description strongly suggests one of the plastic drive couplers between motor shaft and worm shaft is slipping. Hopefully that will be the case, as this is the easiest of the potential problems to fix: Identify the slipping component, degrease, secure to shaft with a dab of Cyano.
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Bigmet wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2024 2:00 pm
Stokestation12 wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2024 12:22 am ... suggests one of the plastic drive couplers between motor shaft and worm shaft is slipping. Hopefully that will be the case, as this is the easiest of the potential problems to fix: Identify the slipping component, degrease, secure to shaft with a dab of Cyano.
You were absolutely spot on! A little bit of cyano and it's working as it did before! Many thanks!


Did a little bit of track laying again and wired up my gauge master transformer; so much smoother than the basic hornby ones. Had some of the noisy Lima locos going slower than I've seen them go before!

I feel like all of a sudden its starting to take shape. Might be able to get a few good hours in this week so I'm hoping that I'll have the outer loop finished and wired up.
Then it will be the fiddle yards.
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Outer loop is nearly finished. Both loops finished and the entry points to the fiddle yard at both ends finished. Just need to lay about 8ft of straight track and the mainline loops are done.
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Outer loop is finished! Have had both lines running simultaneously and no issues. Still got a few bits that need to be pinned down but it's connected and running.
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Niiiice

this has so much potential to it
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Now that I know hornby mk4s work well, I've managed to get 3 Hornby first class on ebay for good prices. This will allow a rake of class 90, x10 mk4s and dvt, which will just fit in the station with a little room either side.
I was debating whether to put the Lima ones as part of a "charter service" or just put them in a siding somewhere.
I have x4 mk4 pullman first class in Intercity livery (Sir Stanley Matthews, John Lennon, Barbirolli and an unamed 1st class). Anyone got any thoughts?


The other thing due to arrive in the post is the Hornby freightmaster set (class 20 version). Can't wait for this to arrive; was going to put the class 20 with my triang class 20 and double them up on the HEA rake. The container wagon will go with the rake of container wagons hauled by the class 90. The yellow coach will go with the breakdown crane and the guard van will be either in a siding or added to one of the rakes. Trackmat and 3rd radius curves will be traded in at the local model shop and the straight sections will be added to the fiddle yard.



Current rakes/plans:
Outer loop:
Class 90, x10 mk4s and DVT
Class 58, x33 HAA hoppers
Class 86 (railfreight livery), x5 BP TEA tankers and x13 TTA BP tankers
Class 90 (railfreight livery), x10 container wagons
Class 26, short railfreight can rake
Class 37, GUV x3, mk1 bk x2 (parcel rake)

Inner loop:
Class 86, x8 mk3s and DVT
Class 20 x2, X20 HEA hoppers, barrier wagon
Class 47, X8 mk2s
Class 47 (railfreight), Speedlink/railfreight rake

Terminus end-to-end:
Class 158
Class 150/2
Class 156 (needs work, currently won't move)

Sidings:
Breakdown crane and coach
Class 03
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No pictures unfortunately as I forgot before I came down from the loft, but I've done some more on the fiddle yard.
Got a few more points installed and tested.

Tried the class 90 with x10 mk4s but it struggles a little, so will be going with x9 as it handles them easily.

Hoping to get back up there again this week.
Will be looking at the fiddle yard and running some locos in.
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Stokestation12 wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 9:26 pm No pictures unfortunately as I forgot before I came down from the loft, but I've done some more on the fiddle yard.
Got a few more points installed and tested.

Tried the class 90 with x10 mk4s but it struggles a little, so will be going with x9 as it handles them easily.

Hoping to get back up there again this week.
Will be looking at the fiddle yard and running some locos in.
IIRC the Class 91 ran with nine Mk4 & 1x DVT anyway so running with nine is good - though the chance to troll you tube with a video and having it with ten but make no mention of it, just there to see if anyone notices is good.

there is a lot to be said for testing, its not playing trains, its a very important structured test activity

train noises matter too
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aleopardstail wrote:
train noises matter too
And cats. Cats matter as well... :)
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IIRC the Class 91 ran with nine Mk4 & 1x DVT anyway so running with nine is good - though the chance to troll you tube with a video and having it with ten but make no mention of it, just there to see if anyone notices is good.

there is a lot to be said for testing, its not playing trains, its a very important structured test activity

train noises matter too
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I quite like the testing phase I'm currently in.
Next tests will be on the container wagons. I've got 10 of the hornby flats with containers but because they are so light, I've had a lot of derailments. I've got some liquid weight and glue which I'm adding to the underframes as close to/over the bogies to try and weigh them down a bit. Haven't got round to testing these yet.
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It does make a difference. I used liquid lead which is tiny heavy balls that are used in model yacht building to weight down the hulls.
Plastacine can also work.
If they are Hornby Freightliner flats, there is room in both the very centre "Box" structure in the middle, and on little indents underneath the bogies themselves which may only seem like little areas, but they all add up. If they still give issues there is a mode expensive fix. Change then 10.5mm wheels to metal ones instead and for ultimate rolling, add brass bearings (Though caution needed if adding brass bearings as the bogie frames can be brittle so take it easy with the drill).
[If one ends up with spare plastic 10.5mm wheels, send them my way!!! :D ]
I did get one Hornby Freightliner waggon to run beautifully as a flat without containers when I added weight and tried heavy Romford wheels on it (Sadly these wheels are no longer available). The wagon had just enough weight to it and rode perfectly.
I eventually sold the fleet of Freightliner wagons on when I went into 7mm narrow gauge instead. Some sold at a toy and train fairs and others sold via this site. Kept my car on the road through the difficult times.

In the past I bought a rake of Bachmanns lovely bogie hopper wagons, and these had the complete opposite problem. They were just WAY TOO HEAVY! (Lovely build quality with the cast metal underframes but....!)
Eventually sold them on too. It took two central motored all wheel drive Bachmann diesels to pull just ten of them! If I used the old Lima diesels, it would have taken three of them to pull that, and the prototype diesels pulled around 40 of them using just one diesel!
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Fiddle yard progressing
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Had a little troubleshooting day today.
Managed to get a rake of x9 Hornby container wagons going around the inner loop. They traversed points and bends with no issue.
I added liquid lead to the underside of the chassis in the big bit in the middle and on the small indents on the bogie. They will run as they are or with containers on.
That's one thing off the list...however solve one problem and another arises.
The class 90 in Railfreight livery has now decided that it doesn't want to move a lot. You can hear power going through it. If you tap it or add a little weight on top of it, it will move a bit but then stop. I've cleaned the wheels bit still no joy. Will be having a look at the motor later and possibly re-oiling and adding a little weight to the shell.

Have got my Lima Class 156 (regional railways) going again as well as it wasn't running last week. Same for the class 47 railfreight.

I have now completed the fiddle yard on the inner loop (pics will be added later) and I have got the points ready for the outer loop, which is about half complete.

Once that is done, will be laying the terminus line and sidings that lead to the depot and sheds.
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Go easy about adding oil as it sounds more like the issue is cog alignment spring or something like that, or the non-powered bogie or contact on that side. On older Hornby models the contact runs through the pair of wheels on the non-powered bogie and through the wire to the motor. The axles themselves can pick up dirt and need cleaning (Or the metal part of the bogie frame).

I am not sure about todays Railroad style designs, but from what I know, older designs (Ringfield) will all be alone the lines mentioned above. I believe the class 90's had a ringfield motor bogie?
Is far too easy to over oil the motor. Mind you, they do squeel if dry. Is a very fine line which I am wondering if graphite would work better?
Moror communtators could sometimes meed a clean as can the wheels...
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