Hornby R3839 Standard 2MT 2-6-0 78000

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Hornby R3839 Standard 2MT 2-6-0 78000

Postby RailwayRobbo » Thu Oct 01, 2020 5:21 pm

Had this email from Hattons regarding delivery of the Hornby Standard 2-6-0.

Hello

We thought you may like to know that an item you have asked us to notify when it arrives into stock, has had some information about its release date added or updated.

Hornby R3839 Standard Class 2MT 2-6-0 78000 in BR unlined green with late crest £162.00

Our latest information from the supplier suggests this item will arrive with us between April 2021 & May 2021

Whilst we are hopeful this information is accurate, manufacturer lead times are frequently prone to be delayed.

This information is to be used as a guide only.

We hope that this email has been useful.

Regards

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Re: Hornby R3839 Standard 2MT 2-6-0 78000

Postby Peterm » Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:00 am

:shock: 162 quid.
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Re: Hornby R3839 Standard 2MT 2-6-0 78000

Postby RailwayRobbo » Fri Oct 02, 2020 12:20 pm

Peterm wrote::shock: 162 quid.


Exactly !!!
Prices seem to continually keep rising.

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Re: Hornby R3839 Standard 2MT 2-6-0 78000

Postby Bigmet » Fri Oct 02, 2020 12:30 pm

If it is as fine as the very lovely B12/3 which was my most recent Hornby purchase, then it will comfortably exceed what the average kit builder like myself can achieve, at lower cost than obtaining a kit and components to build the model. Then it is a question of 'Do I really want it?'. In this case 'no' is my reply, but I will pony up for the W1 and an A2/3 in BR late crest period condition.

The happy days of good models of big engines under £80, coaches under £20 and 4W wagons for about £5 are but a happy memory. Truth be told, China is steadily pricing itself out of model manufacture, as it has bigger and more profitable products to churn out in huge volume. The model industry is going to move on, to the next low wage opportunity in countries looking to develop manufacturing capacity. In my lifetime that has gone Japan, Korea, China, and now onwards to location X (Vietnam for a start).

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Re: Hornby R3839 Standard 2MT 2-6-0 78000

Postby stuartp » Fri Oct 02, 2020 11:02 pm

Peterm wrote::shock: 162 quid.


Which is comparable with what the DJH kit cost 20-odd years ago, by the time you had added a motor, gears, wheels and transfers, but without having to build it.
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Postby Peterm » Sat Oct 03, 2020 12:40 am

Yes I understand that, but there are plenty of people taking home two or three hundred quid a week which means it's turning back in to a rich man's hobby. Even if manufacturers go to a cheaper place, I bet prices wouldn't go down.
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Re: Hornby R3839 Standard 2MT 2-6-0 78000

Postby stuartp » Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:45 am

Was it ever not a rich man's hobby? A Hornby Dublo loco was a sizeable chunk of your take home back in the day, which is why we made do with one loco a year if that.

Cheaper locos are available, maybe even cheaper 2MTs when Hattons start knocking out the slow sellers once the rush is over and all the green ones have gone.

If you need a 2MT (which I do insofar as anyone 'needs' a toy train, it's a signature loco for my line) then the DJH + bits price is now pushing 350 quid if you can find one and persuade Markits to answer the phone.
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Re: Hornby R3839 Standard 2MT 2-6-0 78000

Postby Firefly16 » Sat Oct 03, 2020 11:24 pm

At £162. for this model, China is, as Bigmet says, pricing itself out of the model market. Well, if production is to go elsewhere, let's forget about next stop country X and bring Hornby products back to Margate. As prices have now reached this level, those that might be charged for home produced models can hardly be an issue. And aren't we going to need the new employment opportunities this will create to help us pick ourselves up from the mess that we're in now?

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Re: Hornby R3839 Standard 2MT 2-6-0 78000

Postby Bigglesof266 » Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:40 am

Bigmet wrote:Vietnam for a start

Albeit not on the scale of China, Vietnam is churning out quality kit, and has been for more than a decade IME of guitars, RC kit etc. They just keep getting better.

Another is Indonesia.

I'd go with shifts to Vietnam, Indonesia, and India which still has a huge surplus of peon labour units and a rubbish currency. Although if Airfix is any gauge, I don't think much of Indian production mentality and values. Prefer Indonesia or Vietnam.

Either way, one thing's for sure. The days of ridiculously cheap CN & SEA goods are gone. The next quarter century is going to be very interesting for those living in the super-surveilled and tracked NWO. One good thing though. The end of American 'exceptionalism', SWIFT and the USD. Good riddance.

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Postby Bufferstop » Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:19 am

Now I must emphasize that I see no politics in saying this, but it looks that China's latest worldwide export is likely to bring down or hold, UK hourly pay rates until they are less than theirs. Which eventuality ironically will not help our situation one iota.
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Re: Hornby R3839 Standard 2MT 2-6-0 78000

Postby stuartp » Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:40 pm

Firefly16 wrote:At £162. for this model, China is, as Bigmet says, pricing itself out of the model market. Well, if production is to go elsewhere, let's forget about next stop country X and bring Hornby products back to Margate.


If you bring it back to Margate they'll be £400 each if you're lucky.
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Re: Hornby R3839 Standard 2MT 2-6-0 78000

Postby D605Eagle » Mon Oct 05, 2020 2:19 am

It's so similar to a Bachmann 2mt I think I'll give it a miss. I've too many locos anyway. Saying that I give Hornby a wide birth as a rule anyway with their appalling track record of disintegrating models, p*** poor build quality and even worse customer service.

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Re: Hornby R3839 Standard 2MT 2-6-0 78000

Postby Bigglesof266 » Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:05 am

Fair crack of the whip. It's a bit unfair to criticise Hornby customer service when they haven't any. :lol:

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Re: Hornby R3839 Standard 2MT 2-6-0 78000

Postby Bigmet » Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:56 am

D605Eagle wrote:... I give Hornby a wide berth as a rule anyway with their appalling track record of disintegrating models, p*** poor build quality and even worse customer service.

I must be purchasing from a different company! The newly tooled items these last ten years or so - essentially since Hornby parted from Sanda Kan - that I either own, or have had to test and decoder fit for a couple of friends, have been uniformly good to very good to date. (Obvious reservation, our old nemesis mazak rot may be lurking in the most recently produced items, yet to show itself.)

The biggest flaw the incorrectly angled handrail stanchions on the J15. I can fix that if it ever bothered me, and the rest of it so good that it doesn't bother me! The most recent loco introduction that I have purchased is the B12/3 and this wins a very good verging on excellent rating; the all steel QoS Pullman cars, Gresley and Thompson non-gangwayed, Trout ballast hoppers and various brake vans, all very good.

D605Eagle wrote:... Hornby ... even worse customer service.

Bigglesof266 wrote:Fair crack of the whip. It's a bit unfair to criticise Hornby customer service when they haven't any...

And here I am totally ignorant because I have never needed it since circa 2004; when they responded quickly to the dealer's report of the failure when the axle gear split on a new Q1 after about 9 months, sending out a complete replacement wheelset. So it was very OK in my perception sixteen years ago (they were prepared to do the work, but I asked for the parts and they supplied).

Now, there was an interesting private exchange I had with a dealer arising from a discussion on the old MREmag when that was still functioning, if anyone remembers that? This dealer was emphatic that Hornby service performance all came down to the dealer's relationship with Hornby. Just his opinion? Or might there be something in it? I really don't know.

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Re: Hornby R3839 Standard 2MT 2-6-0 78000

Postby luckymucklebackit » Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:40 am

Given the standard of build, I have come to the conclusion that today's prices are not excessive, yes - I do remember making a vow that I would not spend more than £100 on a loco, then came the J36! Then it was that

I will not spend more than £100 on a diesel, yes I did, class 29! Now I have pre-ordered a A2/3 at £170.
I still refer back to the dark days of the late 1960s and early 1970s when propitiatory model railways were in my opinion at their nadir, cheap and cheerful - NOT! A clunky Wrenn pacific would set you back between £8 and £9 which in today's prices is about £140, so for the incredible standard of detail you now get you are paying an extra £30 - meh!

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