Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

What are you up to on your workbench
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I suppose I need to show that I can finish something.
Two Parkside hoppers, now needing weathering.

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A funny thing, you get 2 differing period decals, but there are no black boxes around
the earlier BR set. Boxes are shown in the instructions, just not there on the sheet.
I do have a decal sheet of just black lines and there were suitable widths for both
the number box and small weight box. The WB markings were painted on the solebars
which were black so no box required.

I'm now starting a PC80 kit that covers the LNER riveted 20 ton version. Again odd that
they show NE markings on the instructions, but they are not included on the decal sheet.
Not a problem to me as I'm doing as a 21 ton 1948 BR period.

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Very neat work! 8)
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And prolific wagon building as ever, Geoff!

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Dad-1 wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 9:10 pmTwo Parkside hoppers, now needing weathering.
Very neat build. Now, before weathering 'do the damage' on and around the batter plates caused by the teemer's sledge hammers as they released frozen on coal.
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Mmmm Sometimes heavy rusting, but getting realistic dents 'aint so easy.

I did try to replicate dents through from the inside on some iron ore hoppers by
putting blobs of superglue on the outside, then painting rusty with stains running
down the sides. Trouble is it looks stupid on an empty where there are no dings on
the inside !!

My 'artistry' probably ended with the GCE 'O' for art in 1958.

I do have a reputation for being damn awkward (at times) so because Parkside don't
include any NE decals I am tempted to get another one/few of the LNER riveted
high brake lever design - certain there are some HMRS decals here somewhere ????

I just can't stop making things.

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Bigmet,

I'd have to agree, this is FAR too clean, just rusty smears.
One of my 10, 13 Ton Hoppers.
I do like a good wagon.

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Do better next time.

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Dad-1 wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 12:02 pm Mmmm Sometimes heavy rusting, but getting realistic dents 'aint so easy.

I did try to replicate dents through from the inside on some iron ore hoppers by
putting blobs of superglue on the outside, then painting rusty with stains running
down the sides. Trouble is it looks stupid on an empty where there are no dings on
the inside !!

My 'artistry' probably ended with the GCE 'O' for art in 1958.

I do have a reputation for being damn awkward (at times) so because Parkside don't
include any NE decals I am tempted to get another one/few of the LNER riveted
high brake lever design - certain there are some HMRS decals here somewhere ????

I just can't stop making things.

Geoff T.
Making things is fun!

Just an idea. Have you considered cutting holes in the sides of wagons and glueing tin there instead that one can put real dents in? Not sure if this would work, so one may need to try it on a wrecked wagon. Or maybe forming part of the body from tin? Tin is ideal to form dents in...
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As I'm re-organising my stock and queries often fly about as to compatibilities of
different manufacturers components I thought I'd throw in some conversions.

First my Ruston DS48 being used as a height guide for modifying a Triang wagon for
modern couplers. This is the accuracy needed between couplers when, err coupled up.
I glued NEM pockets onto the Triang bogies, here with Kadees, but these can be pulled
out and replaced with Tension-lock types if wanted.

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Then to a Wrenn LWB wagon, again quite good matching height. Here a very odd type of
NEM pocket has been use. One that as far as I know is only available as part of the
Parkside PC80 13 ton hopper kit. I used the standard dovetail type on my hoppers, but
these oddities became useful for Wrenn conversions. Again can be changed to tension-lock
types as wanted.

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Then my Dapol Twin Silo wagon kit attached to the Wrenn. Here the Peco PA-34 dovetail
NEM mount has been stuck to the top of the original Airfix circular mounting after removal
of the two ridges. One of the most simple fixes and as before the Kadees can be replaced
tension-lock types

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Next some less than perfect pictures (out of focus) of what the above attachments look like.

For the pedantic fine scale enthusiast, it's true that buffer height standards were never as
accurate as they are now, but when running in a train, who can really notice and there are
some old items for which there are no modern versions.


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So to attachment.

On my Triang Chlorine Tank a dovetail NEM fitting was glued direct to the bogie.
GREAT care always needed before adding glue as once in place it's fixed. The
actual coupler can still be changed.

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With the Wrenn 10 ton LWB van there was a hole where part of the original fitment
was located. This was ideal to take the pin on my weird Parkside pockets. While
height was about right only a small adjustment needed. Because these were mounted
much further back longer Kadees are needed.

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Here you see Peco PA-34 mounts as supplied on a fret of 2. Then one has had the two
ribs removed. This gives an idea height to couplers when attached onto the round Airfix
coupler mounting. When in place the end of the NEM pocket needs to lie within the
bufferbeam's thickness. Then ideal for Bachmann short tension-lock, or Kadee #18's

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Oh then just a simple Parkside kit job. Depending on how high a PA-34 fixing plinth is, will
depend on how much of the two ridges need to be sanded away. One of those check, check,
then remember, but check before you do it again !!

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HOW many kits ? Over 70 Parkside, so if you can get it wrong at some time I've been there.

More random information consigned to history.
Yes, I agree Kadee's are a stupid price, but at least they're tough, but that £300 Loco ?????

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ohhhh now these couplings are ones I have to get hold of, they look just the job
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One aspect is that yes, Kadees are not cheap, but look at it this way. If one is kitbuilding, and one is buying couplings anyway, and the coupling price is a certain amount anyway which is high enough on its own, and Kadees are only a certain price extre on top of that, then it does not seem so much per vehicle.

Having said that, for me, scratchbuilding, the two largest costs are wheels and couplings. To kitbuilders, it will be the kit, wheels and couplings unless those are provided in the kit. Scratchbuilding costs in other materials depends on what one uses. Costs are little for me, as I probably spend more on paint and glue than I do on the materials, though this could vary if I decide to buy in costly materials such as brass.

But yes. Making my own couplings saves a lot, but if one is buying couplings anyway, and then looks at the price of tension lock and Kadees, one can think of it as Kadees minus the tension lock price as ones outlook is different in this case. I don't think that it is a waste of money by any means.
Look at it this way. If one buys a kit, assembles it with Kadees and ones choice in wheels at less than the price of a RTR equivalent item, then one is onto a winner! Even if the prices are similar, and one is happier with the kit, one has achieved! There is nothing more personal than an item one has made oneself!
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Geoff, what sort of glue did you use to attach the NEM pockets?
Mountain wrote:
One aspect is that yes, Kadees are not cheap, but look at it this way. If one is kitbuilding, and one is buying couplings anyway, and the coupling price is a certain amount anyway which is high enough on its own, and Kadees are only a certain price extre on top of that, then it does not seem so much per vehicle.
Sounds like my wife's reasoning. She goes to the shop and spends a pot of money but, by the time she's finished telling me about it, I realise that she's actually saved money!
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Phred, often superglue, sometimes if the plastics are compatible I use Humbrol liquid Poly
which is quite aggressive.

Another long train 'Test' video on the Club's Test Track.
Hope someone likes it.

https://youtu.be/AtL5eZTkXN0?si=MpLtE1-aglCViSsv

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I keep moving on to the next job without :- A) Finishing the first model; B) photographing stages of work;
C) posting on here what I've been up to.

Thursday evening I didn't want to watch TV so made up another Dapol 16 ton mineral. From opening
the packet to having it running on track took 2 hours. It'll now probably take a few weeks before
it sees any paint.
Friday postman brought 2 white metal & etched brass dumb buffered 1880's BRSCR wagon kits from
Roxey Mouldings. Started in the evening and spent some time today on the smallest one. I hate working
with brass, but here it is at close of business (modelling) today.

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Always something to do !!

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My guilty conscience regarding non-finishing jobs saw me get the paint out for
the 16 tonner chassis. While at it this baby blue ( Mediterranean Blue) caught
my eye and decided this for my little wagon !!

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Still have to mount it's brake system when I work it out, otherwise looking a
fun little wagon.

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