Are You More Likely To Buy New Or Secondhand?

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Are You Most Likely To Buy New Or Secondhand on your next few purchases?

New
4
13%
Secondhand
11
34%
Both new and secondhand
7
22%
Neither of the above
2
6%
If there was a budget option new then click here if you would buy it.
8
25%
 
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Quite simple for me, for locos, I buy new, I don't think I have any 2nd hand locos in my limited collection now. While I'm not 100% happy with all the new locos, they have all run faultlessly out of the box. Rolling stock on the other hand, most of mine is 2nd hand, as I can't bring myself to pay £20 for a wagon or £50 for a coach. From memory the only new rolling stock I've got is 3 of the Hornby generic 4 wheeled coaches, and a single Gresley Ex-LNER BR maroon coach, that was new old stock from Trago Mills for around £20.
centenary wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 8:21 pm Cost isnt really a deterent to me not because Im mega wealthy but because Ive been into RC scale and the cost of a sound fitted new loco is a lot cheaper than much of the RC scale scene is.
I think you raise a very good point there. Whilst locos and rolling stock have got a lot more expensive than they were, if you compare to other hobbies the price is still pretty damned good. I used to be (and am just getting back) into model boats. I've been given a few that are built and just need fitting out. Just to fit them out with electrics will be £100+. So to get a highly detailed, ready to run out the box loco for around £200 doesn't seem so bad. And boats aren't even a particularly expensive hobby. The RC submarine I had.... I put way too much money in to that.
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other hobby here is table top wargaming, they have exactly the same debates with some pointing out "other hobbies" (including model railways) are more expensive which apparently justifies the cost (it doesn't its not a valid comparison) while yet more only buy either second hand or from brans other than the leading one who produce plastic where to them the most expensive element is the box..

stuff is worth what the customer is prepared to pay for it, I think a lot of the "value" in some of the newer stuff is the manufacturers realising they never see second hand revenue so want it up front, while some who buy can be happy knowing that £250 loco if they need to can be shifted for £100-£125 or so

bit like how video games used to see eye watering prices offset by the ability to then sell it on (before the software houses worked out how to stop it)

to me I run second hand because for me the interest is operations and control equipment, the actual trains are somewhat secondary so long as they look ok and work. I will get into the fancier stuff, DCC sound etc, as things get set up however to haul round some decades old "not teak at all" Hornby LNER coaches I'm not too fussed the A1 came out of a "railroad" box and came from eBay

though I do appreciate the detail on a newer one, which is amazing, I doubt my modelling is up to providing it a suitable backdrop
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Talk about comparing two totally unrelated subjects that make no sense together, havy you seen how often this is done on TV adverts these days? The advertizing people have gone stupid! What relevence has the subject matter in the advert got to do with their products as many of them there is no relevence!
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On starting OO from scratch I decided to buy new track and points as having tried s/h for some in N I found people don't care for there track and what arrived was virtually unusable, many broken chairs, large gobs of solder, bent rails and more. Looking on the bay these people were expecting 80% new prices for this rubbish in OO so the decision to buy new was easy.

Rolling stock is a different matter, to me new prices are eye watering and unjustifiable so all my rolling stock is s/h of various ages and manufacturers. I am quite adept at small repairs though much of the stock only needs a wheel clean, de-griming and gearboxes in particular re-greased having removed the solid stuff. You gradually get a feel for who were the better more reliable makes and era's. Sometimes prices can be a bit high so I simply pass and wait a better opportunity.

Another item that is fairly expensive new is buildings but there really is not much of a s/h availability, I guess people either cannot be bothered to sell or buildings once owned get re-cycled in many layouts.

As a pensioner modelling has to compete with many other calls on my limited funds.
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fourtytwo wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2024 8:14 pm On starting OO from scratch I decided to buy new track and points as having tried s/h for some in N I found people don't care for there track and what arrived was virtually unusable, many broken chairs, large gobs of solder, bent rails and more. Looking on the bay these people were expecting 80% new prices for this rubbish in OO so the decision to buy new was easy.

Rolling stock is a different matter, to me new prices are eye watering and unjustifiable so all my rolling stock is s/h of various ages and manufacturers. I am quite adept at small repairs though much of the stock only needs a wheel clean, de-griming and gearboxes in particular re-greased having removed the solid stuff. You gradually get a feel for who were the better more reliable makes and era's. Sometimes prices can be a bit high so I simply pass and wait a better opportunity.

Another item that is fairly expensive new is buildings but there really is not much of a s/h availability, I guess people either cannot be bothered to sell or buildings once owned get re-cycled in many layouts.

As a pensioner modelling has to compete with many other calls on my limited funds.
Going back a few years I needed to raise money to get a change of car and I attended a toy and train fair to sell some 00 gauge items and any buildings or anything scenic was selling extremely well. It was the locs and the rolling stock that was slower to sell, and magazines/railway books/genuine railway posters were a waste of time bringing as no one seemed to want to look! But anything scenic like old half broken fences or shells of buildings that needed a total rebuild sold... All the items I "Thought" would not sell just went! Unmade building kits especially card kits were so quickly snapped up I was amazed!
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Mountain wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2024 9:20 pm Going back a few years I needed to raise money to get a change of car and I attended a toy and train fair to sell some 00 gauge items and any buildings or anything scenic was selling extremely well. It was the locs and the rolling stock that was slower to sell, and magazines/railway books/genuine railway posters were a waste of time bringing as no one seemed to want to look! But anything scenic like old half broken fences or shells of buildings that needed a total rebuild sold... All the items I "Thought" would not sell just went! Unmade building kits especially card kits were so quickly snapped up I was amazed!
I must confess I have not tried such places for many years as s/h availability seemed to be declining, so thanks for the tip I will try a few and see :D
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It was odd that day I sold things as it was fairly quiet (Not overly busy) as the event was on the same day as something else major going on. For me it was MUCH better as I like things when they are quieter.
The more professional regulars who do it as their business said their sales were rigt down to things like £350 (Take off their buying to replace what they sold and some of them may have struggled that day to earn a wage). A few of us (About 15%?) were just there to sell surplus items on a personal level so for us, as long as we sold enough to pay the cost of our tables it was ok. I had £750 that day and the majority of that was allin various card kits and other scenic bits and pieces which I had been saving towards that large 00 gauge layout that never got built. Much was rescued from my previous layout as well which came as a surprize that I ended up with enough to trade in my car to get something that was much better for me to drive.

These toy and train fairs tended to take place once or twice a year. I have not attended one since but they do allow an access route for both traders and ordinary members of the public to buy and sell their items. I think origionally it was not for the traders but many traders found them their only place to sell as it is far too costly for them to start and run a shop. I took a small car full (With room for my Mum in the car as well as I needed her with me). The seasoned traders mostly had vans and hired a few tables a time!
The really great thing is, if someone somewhere can't make it they let others have the spare allocated tables which is a relief at times, though one can't rely on this for obvious reasons.
A lot of bargaining goes on between traders as well before the event opens especially with people like me who just needed to sell what we had spare! This is why if attending such an event, always arrive early and try and bring a second person with you, as it is not easy putting things out on the table when traders want a view and make offers!
Don't expect top prices at such events though as these are for bargain hunting customers, but it is really surprizing what does sell and what does not! It is a real surprize what I shifted. I never forget I had this American bus conductors badge from their uniform and I didn't want it. I didn't know what it was. I just put it in with the rest of the stuff and this guy saw it and made me an offer, and I accepted as I judt wanted to find someone who wanted it.He was thrilled and he told me what it was and he said it was ideal for his collection! Fancy finding someone in Wales who collects such things who happened to be at the right place at the right time!

I do feel sorry for one man. I sold him a wooden boat. I am not great with faces, but I saw him at the Swansea exhibition but I was so i ternally stressed due to the crowds that I was about to physically end up on the floor, so I wanted to quickly look ata few things and then go out and take a break from the event in order to recover, so I could not talk, as I just had to put blinkers on or I would have collapsed. I think he took it personally. I was never intending to do that. Hope if he is reading this he understands. He looks like a solicitor or a doctor type person by the suits I have seen him wearing.

How I would love to explain to people that it was nothing personal and that all is good! But when things happen like that I have to shut off and withdraw and in a crowded exhibition hall it can get difficult if it hits me at the wrong time.

Sometimes I can be completely fine!
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I do admire your resilience, Mountain.
It takes a good deal of 'ticker' to persevere in those situations when your mind is screaming at you to get away.
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fourtytwo wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 8:29 pm ... I have not tried such places for many years as s/h availability seemed to be declining, so thanks for the tip I will try a few and see...
They are like rocking horse dung in my locality, extremely rare, and of no practical use based on my last experience in 2006. If advertised as 'model railway', there is an expectation that the majority of what is on sale won't be model road vehicles, military models, aeromodelling, teddy bears, paper crafting, pet accessories, old records, and other stuff of zero interest that I do not recall. One stall with Hornby O gauge clockwork in scrap metal condition does not make a 'model railway fair' in my unhumble opinion. The 'organiser' explained that it depended on what turned up on the day, some of the model railway 'regulars' had failed to appear of late.

In terms of 'walk up events', it has been small model railway exhibitions that have performed these last twenty years. None of the 'specialists' trading to collectors at inflated prices; just a mountain of barely sorted MODEL RAILWAY items (only slightly contaminated with road vehicles) offered at sensible prices to raise funds for the club hosting the exhibition. Friendly club exhibitors with enough time to enable a test run of locos - should the rummaging turn up something useful - and it usually does. Seen some interesting layouts too. :D
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Phred wrote: Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:40 pm I do admire your resilience, Mountain.
It takes a good deal of 'ticker' to persevere in those situations when your mind is screaming at you to get away.
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Bigmet wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 10:36 am
fourtytwo wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 8:29 pm ... I have not tried such places for many years as s/h availability seemed to be declining, so thanks for the tip I will try a few and see...
They are like rocking horse dung in my locality, extremely rare, and of no practical use based on my last experience in 2006. If advertised as 'model railway', there is an expectation that the majority of what is on sale won't be model road vehicles, military models, aeromodelling, teddy bears, paper crafting, pet accessories, old records, and other stuff of zero interest that I do not recall. One stall with Hornby O gauge clockwork in scrap metal condition does not make a 'model railway fair' in my unhumble opinion. The 'organiser' explained that it depended on what turned up on the day, some of the model railway 'regulars' had failed to appear of late.

In terms of 'walk up events', it has been small model railway exhibitions that have performed these last twenty years. None of the 'specialists' trading to collectors at inflated prices; just a mountain of barely sorted MODEL RAILWAY items (only slightly contaminated with road vehicles) offered at sensible prices to raise funds for the club hosting the exhibition. Friendly club exhibitors with enough time to enable a test run of locos - should the rummaging turn up something useful - and it usually does. Seen some interesting layouts too. :D
I went to three of these events around 5 years ago so I got twlking to the traders, and they really don't make a lot of money as the costs of travelling on top of the every other month (Or once a month) toy and train fair (They follow the organizer from place to place and he is not making a fortune either as he had to have his own stall near the door to raise additional revenue to help ends meet), so these massively inflated prices which I have not actually seen in Wales. I have seen massively reduced prices... Those that inflate their prices too high simply do not sell their items and come away dissapointed. They know where their happy medium is and sometimes make a loss but other times make a profit to offset any losses. Many of the ones I met only ran their businesses to meet people as many were pensioners and it was their way of getting out their house to meet like minded people... Even many of the buyers were regulars! I met this lovely old gent who asked me if I had an Airfix air conditioned Mk2 coach. I had one but not with me so we met about a week later in a local village car park and he was thrilled, as the air conditioned model he wanted was never there when he went to the fairs! Don't forget that many of the people that go to these fairs are not on the internet so to them the fairs are important. A fair few told me they stopped buying new due to prices and now only visit the fairs. If the items in the fairs were hitting stupid prices, many of the customers would not be attending.
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Having just purchased a Hornby S15, at £90 including postage, in pristine condition, it looks brand new, with no wear on the wheel treads, runs down to a crawl in both directions, still with the unopened detail pack.

I cannot complain about 2nd hand purchases.

As for rolling stock, all of my Maunsell coaches are 2nd hand, I simply cannot justify spending £50 plus on brand new ones, the price is extortionate, I simply can't afford it.

As for new locomotives, I think the prices have simply gone too far now, they are going to price working class people out of the hobby.
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Just about everything I have is vintage three rail, so a lot of the newer models wouldn't run too well on my layout, if at all. Of the few items I have bought new, most of them have needed to be rewheeled to coarser standard to run reliably, although my Hornby 700 class (which I bought second hand, but had never been run) once I had converted it to three rail, surprised me by negotiating 15" radius curves and (so long as it was travelling slowly) Dublo pointwork.

Without these self imposed restraints, if I was using more modern equipment, I think I would still buy second hand mainly due to the cost of new equipment.
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