Birmingham New Street and Brettell Road in P4

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Re: Birmingham New Street and Brettell Road in P4

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It came in brown livery and with a certificate saying it was a limited edition number 061 of 500. If this sort of thing matters to you and you have one you will be pleased to know that your model is now even more limited being 1 of 499 (You're welcome!).
:D My own sentiments entirely, Unless the manufacturer undertakes to destroy the tooling, there's always the possibility of another exclusive release of 500.
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Re: Birmingham New Street and Brettell Road in P4

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Exquisite modelling. Love the Borail with the rusty track load.
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Re: Birmingham New Street and Brettell Road in P4

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Ive recently been doing a few revisions on the layout.

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The first was prompted by a failure.  It had always irked me a little that the above lamp was a little bit crude and the top wasn't really the distinctive shape the lights at Round Oak had. Being at the back in a dark corner it wasn't noticeable enough to invest any time into. However when it recently failed why not kill two birds with one stone?

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So after a bit of tweaking I'm much happier with it now.

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Ground Signals.  I originally used the MSE kits but I had found a few drawbacks.  First thing was A few had took some knocks while cleaning the track.  As they use a whitemetal casting for the main body and legs they really didn't like this at all and were starting to look a bit bent and battered.  Secondly as I had fitted lights there wasn't a lot of room to work and I had just drilled out the lamp housing and shoved a nano LED in there with slightly mixed results.

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One consequence of this was more light bled out of the bottom than through the signal despite various attempts to fill the hole

So step in the Palatine models etched kits as a replacement https://www.checksystems.com/palatinemo ... ducts.html . These are hopefully stronger and being an etch theres more room to position the LED in a better controlled way.  I say more room but in 4mm scale ground signals are tiny but because of that even a slight gain is a big help. I modified the kits a little to make them work and drilled a couple of holes for the lights. Results are below

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On the subject of signals Ive been playing around with resistors again to try to get the lamps a bit closer to how the real thing looked and less like a modern colour light. I think I'm there now.

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Up on the road Ive added a few telegraph poles meaning I think I can call this area finished now.

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A revisit to my classic (or is that cliché?) scene.  This time a wider version.
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Never fails to impress !!

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Nearly time to hit the road again.  Brettell Road will be appearing at Scalefour Crewe on the 8th and 9th June.

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The show guide can be viewed via https://indd.adobe.com/view/68363570-e0 ... acee5b39?f

hope to see some of you there.
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Re: Birmingham New Street and Brettell Road in P4

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Ive always quite liked the Midland 3f tender locos.  They seem to be quite nicely proportioned, more so than the 4F's that looked kind of tall and somewhat top heavy.  A while ago in quick succession I picked up a Bachmann body followed soon after by a tender body and a Brassmasters Easychas for it.  In the last week or so Ive decided to get some sort of progress on it.

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So starting with the tender.  I never had the Bachmann chassis and if its anything like most RTR tender chassis it will no doubt have all been a bit flat and kinda naff.  Brassmasters do a detailing kit to replace the tender chassis completely so I used that.  This is just built as per their instructions.

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The rear end.  Buffers are from Lanarkshire models as is the vac pipe.  I think I'll replace the lamp irons too.

On to the loco.  If I had the original chassis then based on the 1F I did I'm confident you could have something up and running in a somewhat leisurely afternoon. If you use the Bachmann coupling rods and brakes you might not even need to fire up the soldering iron! However as I didn't have the Bachmann chassis I decided to build the chassis up as a more conventional one by adding spacers left over from a High Level Models Jinty chassis kit.  As the easychas caters for EM and p4 the EM spacers are perfect.  If you don't have any leftover Jinty bits though Alan Gibson do a neat little etch of spacers.

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Before I show you the chassis though some decisions need to be made.  The splashers suffer from the usual RTR problem of being too big.  Brassmasters do a separate etch for ones that are the right size.  The above image shows a comparison so you can decide if it bothers you or not.

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As you can probably guess it bothered me so they were all replaced.  The original footplate has a solid floor back to the front of the chassis casting so I cut that out.  The new reversing lever is part of the chassis kit and the boxes on the side of the cabs have been thinned down by 2mm as per the instructions.

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All this means that a little bit of rectification is needed on the body as it had recesses in the boiler for the original splashers that are no longer needed.  I believe the Bachmann chassis block comes quite far forward so the base of the boiler was put back in using layers of thin plasticard. Theres not really much else to do to the body other than this.

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Back to the chassis then - with the inside motion kit from the 4f - You didn't expect me to leave a gaping hole did you?  The gearbox is a high level loadhauler+

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How the loco looks mocked up. I will leave the sandpipes until the very end as they will trap the centre wheels in place.

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Much as I quite liked the accidental JPS tribute look of my 3F (Fans of retro Formula 1 will know what I mean) My 3f has now been painted and weathered.

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I found this image of 43687 at New Street on station pilot duties around 1957. The loco was allocated to Bournville shed at the time so it seemed suitable to me. Image ©John Turner 53A Models of Hull Collection and used with his kind permission.

Below a few images of the finished model.

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Just waiting for a Modelu crew to arrive.  Does anyone know how the cab rain sheets were attached to the tender on these locos?  Ive found several images of them with the sheets stored on the edge of the cab roof but none with them in use.  I guess back in the day people didn't go out to take photos of mundane freight locos if it was raining!
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Re: Birmingham New Street and Brettell Road in P4

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The finished model just looks amazing. A real no-nonsense working loco.
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Excellent! Good inspiration for when I weather my 3Fs.
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Jim
Picture of a rain/weather sheet on a steam locomotive.
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Hope it helps

Glencairn

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For anyone modelling a layout in the timeframe of WW2 blackout sheets were added to the sides to prevent light showing.

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Re: Birmingham New Street and Brettell Road in P4

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Thank but I'm afraid not as is a GWR example. Different companies had different methods and even those weren't consistent as it would depend on the type of loco and tender.
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Re: Birmingham New Street and Brettell Road in P4

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Jim S-W wrote: Sat May 18, 2024 8:57 pm ...Does anyone know how the cab rain sheets were attached to the tender on these locos?...
This is a general question I am kicking myself over. With a relative newly moved to Sheringham, when visiting a month past I naturally walked to the NNR, and during the journey Sheringham to Holt saw that the J15 had been allowed out to play. And did I remember to inspect the weather sheet securing points? NO!

Wish I knew more, arrangements included welded post holders inside the tender frontplate to enable a stanchion with a hook atop to be inserted for the purpose, a simple frame of two verticals set forward on the tender upperworks, fitted with a cross bar, as often seen on J15's, or simple bent wire hooks welded at the top of the inside of the tender frontplate. Doubtless other methods were employed; definitely requires attention from an HMRS tender loco weather sheet securing methods characteristion committee.
Jim S-W wrote: Sat May 18, 2024 8:57 pm ...Fans of retro genuine original protoype Formula 1...
Fixed that for you!

Lovely treatment of the 3F in 'maid of all work' form, clearly working out of a shed where some attention is possible to cleaning.
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JPS comment Jim,
I expect Ronnie Peterson would have driven a 3F in a way nobody else ever would !!

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Jim, your low light scenes have all the atmosphere of damp winter evenings in the Black Country, It seems ridiculous that they make me nostalgic for those times, that I last endured almost 70 years ago. Brilliant, aar kid!
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Re: Birmingham New Street and Brettell Road in P4

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Bufferstop wrote:
Jim, your low light scenes have all the atmosphere of damp winter evenings in the Black Country
Every time I see that 'man on the bridge with umbrella' photo, Acker Bilk starts playing 'Stranger On The Shore' in my head.
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