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Postby Dad-1 » Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:38 pm

The roof on.
Still some 17 parts to add.
I've now noticed in the box artwork picture the rain strips were also missing.
I think I'll make a jig because getting 4 roof mounted rain strips in exactly the same
locations will be difficult, yet will be so obvious even if out by just a few mm.

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Already my mind is wandering towards the next project. I can't sit around with nothing
to do. I do have a '0' wagon kit in stock, but perhaps may drift towards the '00' Dogfish
ballast wagon, or Cambrian kits 'sleeper' wagon. More of the engineers rake of stock.

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Postby Dad-1 » Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:14 pm

Currently doing other work, two layouts for my club.
Here the 7 mm brake van sits on one end of our '0' plank with
it's loop allowing 2 locomotives to be working at the same time.

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Postby Dad-1 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:00 pm

I've decided these large models need weathering to be a multi coat process
as well as done section at a time. The footboards need attaching, but you can't
weather behind, so springs and chassis have to be done first.

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Now when the boards are attached I can weather the main body.

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Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Postby Footplate » Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:04 pm

Geoff that’s a great looking brake van kit build. Nicely done. :wink:

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Postby Dad-1 » Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:07 am

Thanks for the comment Footplate,

It's a great kit that deserves care. My first 7 mm scale and they do take a lot longer than
4 mm (00), just have to let them take however long it takes !!

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Postby Footplate » Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:14 am

Geoff I agree, it’s best to take the time needed to complete the kits to a high standard of modelling.

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Postby Dad-1 » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:40 pm

I've had a quiet time regarding wagon building, doing too much work on two layouts.
Perhaps withdrawal symptoms, but I needed to make something with wheels.
Must be different and in my wagon kit stock.

Well I thought a Cambrian Kits No. C4 a 18 Ton GWR Sleeper Wagon.
Now I have warned before that Cambrian Kits are not for beginners. They are often
difficult to build unless you have 3, or 4 hands and understand what can be rather
vague instructions.

Well this one is easier, just 40 parts and I found the instructions quite good. BUT,
yes, these do have the usual short-run problem of flash and mould halves that don't always
line up as well as they should. It means great care in cleaning up all parts before you start
on them.

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I bought this at an exhibition towards the end of last year, just £7.20, well worth it for
something different.

The rather soft plastic works easily and I got most of my parts together in a couple of hours.
Two things struck me, one was how flexible the whole wagon was, looking down the buffer beam
extension tops the chassis was twisted, yet when stood on it's wheels it appeared to twist
back with no noticeable diagonal rock.
The other thing that worries me is the lack of spaces into which to put any weight. This wagon
complete with couplings is going to be less than 10 grams. That for a 4 wheel wagon with a
25 foot wheelbase is asking for trouble.

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Any weight will have to be added in the void by the axles, but mountings for couplings will
take some of this space.

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As usual with Cambrian kits you need to find your own hooks. I find these easy as I drill a 1.0 mm
hole, trim off half the mounting stub and glue in.

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Next time some paint on ? and my last two couplings. Bachmann short narrow tension lock
couplings have not been available from well before Corona Virus Lock-down - Disaster for me.

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Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Postby Ironduke » Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:24 pm

Nice work, but how would anyone sleep in that thing, Geoff? :roll:

Seriously though, could you add the weight in a load of metal or plaster sleepers?
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Postby Lysander » Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:56 pm

Interesting so far Geoff. And the general scarcity of those Bachman couplings is troubling for me, too. As is their price when they are available.

I have been thinking about building one or two of these wagons for a while so I’ll watch your ballast problem with interest. Not a great deal of room for lettering though....

Tony
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Postby Dad-1 » Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:46 pm

I thank you for the comments Gentlemen,

There will be a few photos and comments to come, but I thought I'd do a small video
of it running. So often I hear of people saying that their stock needs ballast to run well.
I ask you the question "Is it really necessary ?" this long wheelbase 4 wheel wagon has
small flanged Dapol wheels yet is pulling quite a heavy train.

https://youtu.be/OkMjkCR2VfM

With a flat square chassis
Free running wheels
Accurate couplings. On the centre line, at the same height

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Postby Lachute » Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:49 pm

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Postby Dad-1 » Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:49 pm

Thanks for the comment Lachute,

Right, I said after the video I'd have more pictures and comments.
Here we have my standard attachment system for couplings. Making a small plinth
to bring the coupling blocks to the required height. This is something I do by eye
nowadays, in this case the platform sits at lower bufferbeam level and from that
I know the mounting ridges of the Peco PA34 mountings need to be trimmed away
with the now flat base lightly sanded.

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In that last picture you see a minor problem that had to be sorted. The tie bar between
the solebars just fouls the space required for the coupling. The piece was well stuck in
from building and I needed to trim about 0.5 mm away. Not enough to look scrappy, but
just giving some room for the couplings to move within the flexibility needed. In addition
a file was used to make a groove in the NEM pocket to allow me to drop the couplings a
small fraction to get good alignment for my other rolling stock.

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It may still be a gentle kiss high, but well within the tolerances of your standard Bachmann wagon.
This last picture shows how I cut down some lead to line the wheel void, making certain that it
couldn't foul the wheels. This has allowed me to get the wagons weight up to 25.60 grams, although
slightly on the light side I know, following running tests without the lead, it will be fine and should
stay on the track even when pulling 30+ wagons. Being an engineers wagon I doubt it will ever have
a train longer than that test video !

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Interesting wagon to me anyway. Problems for the future ? The wheel sets are permanently in, no
going back to add Hornby wheels that have deeper flanges without pulling the wagon apart. The
NEM pockets are also a permanent fit, located under the tie bar, they can't come out without
deconstructing !! I suppose I could snap in Kadees in place of my standard Bachmann couplings.

One omission from this kit are any brake hangars. They must have just had hand brakes from
levers at each end, no interconnecting linkage. You can't see any brakes in the few pictures I've
seen but there should be a through pipe to go with the hoses supplied, but not fitted by me
as they would foul the couplings. This is a working model, not a super accurate scale model.

Stanchions going in this afternoon and might get the black paint out as I'm making as early BR.
That could be a problem as I can imagine getting suitable decals is impossible ? Certainly some
small text decals will be out of the question.

Lysander the TOPS panel was painted on the end ........ But you find one !!

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Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Postby Lysander » Sat Aug 15, 2020 6:02 pm

Tell what lettering [an size in mm if possible] you need Geoff and I'll check my stash. No guarantees, but it's worth a look.

Tony
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Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Postby Dad-1 » Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:46 pm

Hi Tony,

I'm doing an early BR version in black.
The bit I bet isn't available is :-
TO CARRY 160
CHAIRED SLEEPERS
In text probably no more than 3/4 mm high.

The tare wouldn't have had the word and I can make up the 11.15

The ends have either Ew, or Dw, I think Ew on the top line.
18 T on the second line
1007xx on the third line

On the ends as no room anywhere else !!
The TOPS panel ..... no idea.

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Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Postby Chops » Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:58 pm

If that gets any more realistic, you will need to apply for a permit. :)
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