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Re: Hornby Steampunk models

Postby Mountain » Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:03 am

End2end wrote:
Buelligan wrote:s long as they don't go too overboard with the designs and make it just look tacky and toylike.

Erm ..... too late.
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As for the buildings, sticking a cog or 2 on the side does not make it steampunk. It just looks rubbish imo.
Same old trotted out renumbered crap from Hornby. At least they'll have something to do with all those railroad range loco's left over in stock for god knows how long.
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That's what went wrong with Steampunk. Some people who thought they "Got it" didn't and just bought a hat, some goggles, a cape and entered.... And ended up looking like a carbon copy of others who had done the same as they had not made their own designs, but bought into the commercialism who tried to get in on the act.

The whole point was uniquness and creativity which is what it was all about and why it attracted so many.

Just adding a few cogs on buildings is not enough. It needs to look like those cogs turn something mechanical and have a reason of being.

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Re: Hornby Steampunk models

Postby Mountain » Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:22 am

If it is going to be the next fun thing (As far as our hobby goes, as long as people like us and others (Some don't like it) catch a vision for it, then it should take off but...
1. It has to be fun.
2. Must not be overloaded with commercializm where every other steam locomotive is a carbon copy of the next.
3. Must not feel fake.
Hornby can make locomotives with a basic shell and sell various packs of bits and pieces which can be added leaving the individual decide where to add them and what to put. That way one avoids creating "Sameness" which just does not sit well with this type of movement.
I see vision for it in that the creativity potential can be great. Can just see an unique loco bringing up wagons to an old disguized Hornby iron ore coal drop...

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Re: Hornby Steampunk models

Postby Alexander Court » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:37 am

I 'm really confused to the poor reaction of people to the buildings. If you are into steampunk its got to be a good starting point in this hobby, you are given a model lightly garnished with bits as opposed to buying a fully finished 'real life' style building which you might not have felt like modifying. With the new offerings you can buy them and go to town modifying them, adding pipes and other accessories to give them your personal touch and the models a purpose, it wouldn't be much railway modelling or steampunk if you didn't do any modelling/creative stuff no?

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Re: Hornby Steampunk models

Postby Bigmet » Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:34 am

As I understood it, from a younger friend who was into steam punk a good ten years ago, the general idea was a worked out 'what if' fantasy. So 'what if' you are in a world where the only form of reliable mechanical power is the steam engine, and everyone is high on something mildly psychotropic.

How would you have air conditioning, a washing machine and spin drier for your house? There would be a boiler house and engine house, with great big drive lines into the living accommodation to power these and other useful devices. Look at how a coal mine's machinery was arranged back in the Victorian period to have a general idea.

The genre is quite old, and predates the name. A novel that was big among the young when I was in that classification was Mervyn Peake's Titus Groan trilogy, and is clearly of the genre. Also much of Jules Verne's output, and coming forward in time there's more than a trace of it in Terry Gilliam's work in Monty Python, and what came after. 'Twelve Monkeys' and 'Brazil' are probably 'must watch' films. And the Vogon homeworld in the film adaption of Hitchhiker's Guide... (Sadly none of you can go and enjoy the Vogons serving pangalactic gargleblasters during the interval at the Rainbow, all demolished and gone. Practically a steampunk building on its own.) Most current, I would suggest that the BBC's dramatization of Pullman's 'His Dark Materials' is probably leading the charge.

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Re: Hornby Steampunk models

Postby Mountain » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:05 pm

Alexander Court wrote:I 'm really confused to the poor reaction of people to the buildings. If you are into steampunk its got to be a good starting point in this hobby, you are given a model lightly garnished with bits as opposed to buying a fully finished 'real life' style building which you might not have felt like modifying. With the new offerings you can buy them and go to town modifying them, adding pipes and other accessories to give them your personal touch and the models a purpose, it wouldn't be much railway modelling or steampunk if you didn't do any modelling/creative stuff no?

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What does not work for me is slapping some cogs somewhere innappropiate that do not appear to do anything useful... That is a waste of time. To me it should be practical when it comes to mechanical items.
What I did admire is a combination of practical inventiveness with individual creative fashion mixed in.
The Victorians made their locomotives beautiful when they didn't have to. I have seen steampunk designs carefully implimented in a similar way.
I have seen ladies and gentlemen design costumes and gadgets which are beautiful and have an air of practicality to them to make them believeable.
I have seen others wear a top hat or a hat, strap some goggles to it and try to fit in. A carbon copier!

Now what is steampunk and how far can it be taken. Some I have seen have been taken into a parallel universe altogether and that's ok. As long as it makes sense.

But going back to my brief view of Hornby's creation. Locos do look interesting so I do think they are ok.
The wagons? Other then an individuals design of paintwork, why add the illusion of gadgetry unless it practically does something? And on a humble wagon, unless it has an ornate tipping mechanism why? Specialist wagons...? Fair enough. One can go interesting there.

Buildings. Needs to look made for a specific purpose before one can add specific details. Not easy, so it maybe an idea to have it in a darkened brick and then have parts for the individual to add later?
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Re: Hornby Steampunk models

Postby Bufferstop » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:16 pm

I suspect that they don't have any plans for more than a couple of sets, some accessories and the figures, in limited edition runs. After that it will depend on the punters. Just as long as they don't blow too much of their borrowed capital on it.
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Re: Hornby Steampunk models

Postby End2end » Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:31 pm

I just tried to show someone the steampunk models on the Hornby website but cannot see them in the new range.
Even the site search shows 0 results for "Steampunk"
Maybe someone was correct with an early April Fools day. :lol:
As for the buildings, albeit re-dressed products already in the range under another guise / item number, I wonder if they will have the horrible cave like insides like the rest of Hornby's pre-made/cast range? This will make furnishing the interiors a right pain in the bufferstop. :shock:

On another note, the Stephenson's Rocket Train Pack (R3809) has been limited to a production run of 1500. ???
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Surely these sets will sell in much higher numbers than those Steampunk items AND they are DCC ready to boot!.
I could easily be tempted by that set once the price falls a little. :mrgreen:
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Re: Hornby Steampunk models

Postby Bufferstop » Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:08 am

It's there under Bassett-Lowke
https://www.hornby.com/uk-en/bassett-lowke-steampunk
I think they're frightened of scaring away the parents if they put it in the main site.
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Re: Hornby Steampunk models

Postby End2end » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:09 pm

Excellent. Thanks Bufferstop. ;)
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Re: Hornby Steampunk models

Postby Michaelaface » Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:21 pm

I read a comment saying that the "steam punk" layout from "the Great British Railway off" is quite popular at shows and the like, and I think the guys youtube is quite popular

that being said, I really don't understand this range Hornby have brought out, now I'm not entirely sure on what steampunk is supposed to be, but I always thought it was a clothing/look style somewhere in between cybergoths and cosplayers, never really noticed it to be that popular and completely lost as to what it has to do with model railways

as for the models, honestly they look dreadful, they look like someones covered Hornby's cheapest rolling stock in superglue, launched it into waste plastic bin and the spray painted the result matte black with a dry brushing of silver for highlights

to me they just look really cheap and awful, aside from the passengers which actually look okay, but then again, I'm clearly not the target market for this

its a no from me

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Re: Hornby Steampunk models

Postby Bufferstop » Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:27 pm

It really plays to individualism and the things the enthusiast can dream up for themselves, not something mass produced. The item I saw and most liked was a keyboard and screen given the treatment. The screen was mounted in an ornate wooden cabinet with brass fittings and a large on-off lever on the side, the keyboard had been modified with the keytops of an old typewriter, brass rims holding a printed character covered by an acetate disk supported on wrought iron scrolls.
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Re: Hornby Steampunk models

Postby End2end » Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:25 pm

Michaelaface wrote:as for the models, honestly they look dreadful, they look like someones covered Hornby's cheapest rolling stock in superglue, launched it into waste plastic bin and the spray painted the result matte black with a dry brushing of silver for highlights to me they just look really cheap and awful

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I couldn't agree more.
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Re: Hornby Steampunk models

Postby Michaelaface » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:36 pm

Bufferstop wrote:It really plays to individualism and the things the enthusiast can dream up for themselves, not something mass produced. The item I saw and most liked was a keyboard and screen given the treatment. The screen was mounted in an ornate wooden cabinet with brass fittings and a large on-off lever on the side, the keyboard had been modified with the keytops of an old typewriter, brass rims holding a printed character covered by an acetate disk supported on wrought iron scrolls.


see that sounds like how I'd imagine steam punk to be, the same items given hornbys treatment would have random gears, sprue offcuts and draws glued to its surfaces and sprayed black with silver drybrushed over for highlights

this is almost driving me to the point where I want to try to make a "steampunk" loco/train/diorama, because the aesthetic of steampunk is quite pleasing to look at, the hornby models arent

again this is all just my opinion


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