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not enough southern railway info and locos

Postby flying scotsman123 » Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:20 pm

in modelling and preservation, why is there so little southern railways locos about. the only ones i could find are by tri-ang and old hornby mainline in modelling, and i have never seen a single southern engine in preservation. and why are there so little books about this company. i went to SVR yesterday, and looked through the entire library of books at bridgenorth, kidderminster and highley, and found a total of 5. three in black and white - unhelful.
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Re: not enough southern railway info and locos

Postby Terrier » Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:36 pm

I think you might need to widen your search, without looking myself, i feel assured that there is quite a lot of reference to preserved southern locomotives out there, and quite a few models currently available?

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Re: not enough southern railway info and locos

Postby flying scotsman123 » Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:39 pm

i have honestly looked, and the amount of models seems limited, and books on southern railway a lot less as well. i do understand though that the souhtern locomotives were not built to last and as a result have all packed up and died :(
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Re: not enough southern railway info and locos

Postby poliss » Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:58 pm

Have you looked at the Bluebell Railway? Lots of Southern locos there. http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/
The Southern E Group has lists of models and books. http://www.semgonline.com/home.html
If you go to specialist railway books websites, such as http://www.transportdiversions.com/ I'm sure you'll find planty of books on the Southern.

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Re: not enough southern railway info and locos

Postby flying scotsman123 » Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:15 pm

ahh specialists, something i'm not very good at seeing. you have reminded me though, never been to bluebell railway, must visit some time but a bit out of the way for me in gloucestershire. however, all presevation outing money used up, went to borrow hill roundhouse, SVR am going to west somerset railway, and a welsh one i can't remember the name of. so i'll have to wait until next year now :(
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Re: not enough southern railway info and locos

Postby poliss » Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:30 pm

Did you know that if a book isn't in your local public library they can get it, for you to borrow, from any other public library in the country. Costs £2.50 to use the service where I live.

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Re: not enough southern railway info and locos

Postby flying scotsman123 » Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:54 pm

my local library is useless because of how it works. it shares its bookes with three other libraries which means there is never a whole series. i cancelled my membership, if that is what you call it. but my schol library might be worth a try, one librarian there is nice and helpful, the others are sourpusses
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Re: not enough southern railway info and locos

Postby poliss » Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:58 pm

As I said, you can order books from any other library in the country, so if you're missing a book in a series, you can reserve it.

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Re: not enough southern railway info and locos

Postby flying scotsman123 » Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:09 pm

whenever i used that service, the time it took generally was about 1-2 months (not joking) i shall investigate in school during the most dreaded time of all: Mondays :(
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Re: not enough southern railway info and locos

Postby flying scotsman123 » Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:10 pm

also just found 5 rather dusty DVDs which have never been watched including info on south, shall now go to investigate :mrgreen:
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Re: not enough southern railway info and locos

Postby Jonny » Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:03 pm

poliss wrote:Did you know that if a book isn't in your local public library they can get it, for you to borrow, from any other public library in the country. Costs £2.50 to use the service where I live.


Really? That's very helpful to know.

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Re: not enough southern railway info and locos

Postby b308 » Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:58 am

The Southern has always been like that, an one point the LNER was as well... One reason is that people's perception of the Southern was electric multiple units with the odd express and local branch, so it felt that there wasn't the demand for books as few people were interested in EMUs...

Have you tried Abe books for secondhand or Ian Allan for new? Abe gives 9000 books for a search on "southern railway"!!

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Re: not enough southern railway info and locos

Postby Bigmet » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:23 am

flying scotsman123 wrote:... the amount of models seems limited...

That's partly because the SR only built about a dozen steam loco classes and some of those only in small numbers, from which the King Arthur, Lord Nelson, Schools, Q1, and Bulleid light pacifics have RTR models in OO, which covers most of the more numerous classes. With both Bachmann and Hornby looking at 0-6-0s and 4-4-0s, (and Hornby having had the L1 in their range long ago) I wouldn't be too surprised to see the Q and L1 announced in the next few years, and an original condition MN is pretty inevitable some day. The big one that is missing for my money is the S15, which was the SR's native heavy goods loco; if only it had been eight coupled Bachmann might have picked it up by now.

As always pre-group designs are thin on the ground, but between them Bachmann and Hornby have produced the more numerous and long serving classes: A1X, M7 and T9 from Hornby, Maunsell N and - coming soon - Wainwright C from Bachmann; then there's the Beattie WT from Dapol, who also have O2 and USA tank commissions underway. The trouble as ever is that the SR like all the groups had many small classes of steam locos which came from the pre-group companies - there were still nearly a hundred designs in this category when BR was formed - and the only way to get these models any day soon is to build them yourself.

... ...the Southern locomotives were not built to last and as a result have all packed up and died ...

Hardly. The Southern built relatively little steam because many of the pre-group locos it inherited were fit to work on, and some carried on into the 1960s under BR ownership. If you check the stats you will find ex-SR types among the longest surviving, 32636 built 1872, only withdrawn from service in 1963 for example...

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Re: not enough southern railway info and locos

Postby live-frog » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:59 am

The Southern is reasonably well represented in the Steam preservation world.
86 of the 424 preserved steam locos are of SR origin.

More than half of them are on Southern Railways with good stock lists at the following railways : Bluebell Railway = 13 Southern Locos , Mid Hants = 12 , Swanage = 5 ,Kent & Es.Sussex = 5 + a few others scattered about.

Steam railways were and still are very parochial things so you can expect to find a lot of Southern literature & Locos in the South !
I don't have any problem getting LSWR books for example.

I've only been to one model railway exhibition in the 2 years I've lived in the South and guess what , every layout was Southern based !

Outside of the Southern region you will find a limited number of SR locos , eg: North Yorks Moors = 4 Great Central Railway = 3 , ELR = 2 Keighley & WVR =2 + a few other odd ones.

EDIT ...
On the modelling front ,Aside from the reasonable amount of SR locos currently available, you have to remember that the Southern had a large quota of BR Standard locos ,many of which saw the end of SR steam and many of which are available RTR..
Also they had a good allocation of the Ivatt 2-6-2T which were originally destined for the LMR.


Here are a few Southern steam Locos in Main line action in the last couple of years , in the South of course !
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll17 ... 090917.jpg
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll17 ... 090783.jpg
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll17 ... 080361.jpg

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I've just looked on an auction site and found 337 books on the search string "Southern Region"

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Re: not enough southern railway info and locos

Postby poliss » Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:00 pm

I use Fetchbook to search for books. It searches ABE and many other book websites such as Amazon etc.
http://www.fetchbook.info/


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