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Seep v Solenoid difference?

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:19 pm
by Jkelly
Hello, I have dismantled my previous layout and am now planning a new semi foldable layout that is 10x6ft (double track main line with a branch line). I have always wanted point motors on a layout and I have been doing some research and still havent found somewhere that explains the difference between SEEP and Solenoid motors. The only difference that I can see is price. Is it worth it to buy seep motors and save some money or is there some horrible fact that I don't know about?
Thanks for the help

Re: Seep v Solenoid difference?

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:33 pm
by Ironduke
SEEP are also solenoid. They work the same as Peco and Hornby point motors.
Pros
Inbuilt switch contact can be used for live frog polarity switching or indication on a control panel.
Screw holes for mounting under base board.

Cons
Use more current.
Can be difficult to position under your points.

http://www.newrailwaymodellers.co.uk/el ... motors.htm

Re: Seep v Solenoid difference?

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:01 pm
by End2end
Ironduke wrote:Can be difficult to position under your points.

I recently came across and bought this tool for easier fitting of seep point motors.
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=48176&start=735#p669871
I haven't tried it yet but it looks the business for new modellers like me. :)
Thanks
End2end

Re: Seep v Solenoid difference?

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:06 pm
by Ironduke
End2end wrote:
Ironduke wrote:Can be difficult to position under your points.

I recently came across and bought this tool for easier fitting of seep point motors.
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=48176&start=735#p669871
I haven't tried it yet but it looks the business for new modellers like me. :)
Thanks
End2end


I wonder why links to other topics never take me to the right page?
but I found it eventually :)

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then I found the store https://www.spc-cov.uk/store. Looks like a neat idea. You could probably make some sort of template if the £15.00 seems too much.

Re: Seep v Solenoid difference?

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:40 pm
by Peterm
Another possibility is Tortoise slow action motors.

Re: Seep v Solenoid difference?

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:12 am
by Ironduke
And Cobalt

Re: Seep v Solenoid difference?

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:42 am
by Flashbang
The main and possibly overall factor is the difference in unit price. Seep PM1 £5.25 Link 1
While Cobalt Analogue £17.95 Link 2
Tortoise £21.95 Link 3
Using the same supplier as for the Seep PM1.

I appreciate there may be slightly cheaper retailers and that buying in bulk (6 or 12 pack) normally reduces the overall cost per unit, but I've based the above on one supplier - This forums owner where all three are sold.

Personally, I would now go with a DCC Concepts Cobalt ip motor. Which is a smaller size than the Tortoise and has a UK based manufacturer who offer a lifetime warranty.

Re: Seep v Solenoid difference?

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:28 pm
by Jkelly
Thanks for all the help. As always it is much appreciated and has cleared things up.
The dream would be to have cobalt/tortoise motors with those beautiful full lever frame cobalt switches (solid copper and gold contacts) but are unfortunately well outside my budget. Seep motors and hornby passing switches it is!

Re: Seep v Solenoid difference?

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:13 pm
by Free_at_last
Avoid Hornby passing contact switches and go for Peco, they are far superior.

Re: Seep v Solenoid difference?

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:35 am
by Roger (RJ)
Free_at_last wrote:Avoid Hornby passing contact switches and go for Peco, they are far superior.


Especially if you use a CDU.

Re: Seep v Solenoid difference?

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:23 am
by Ironduke
Roger (RJ) wrote:
Free_at_last wrote:Avoid Hornby passing contact switches and go for Peco, they are far superior.


Especially if you use a CDU.


Why? Not arguing, I'd really like to know. Do they not handle high currents well?

Re: Seep v Solenoid difference?

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:23 pm
by Free_at_last
Ironduke wrote:
Roger (RJ) wrote:
Free_at_last wrote:Avoid Hornby passing contact switches and go for Peco, they are far superior.


Especially if you use a CDU.


Why? Not arguing, I'd really like to know. Do they not handle high currents well?


The Hornby one switches both ways on every throw, the Peco only one.

Re: Seep v Solenoid difference?

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:10 pm
by Roger (RJ)
The Peco one has a clever toggle action to avoid double switching. The Hornby one at least partially discharges the CDU when the lever is moved, before it reaches the position where we want it to make contact and operate the solenoid. The work around is to move the lever to the half way position, pause for a second or two for the CDU to recharge, then fully operate the switch. The Peco switch avoids this faffing about. As a bonus, the Peco one is usually a bit cheaper.