Building wagons with long wheelbases

Have any questions or tips and advice on how to build those bits that don't come ready made.
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skyblue
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Building wagons with long wheelbases

Postby skyblue » Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:17 pm

I fancy trying a slightly more ambitious wagon kit than those that I've already built (16 ton mineral wagons, box vans and a narrow gauge wagon) and I thought I'd try something like a Southern Railway utility van or a GWR Fruit D. But before I go out and buy one I was wondering what these long wheelbase wagons are like to build. Are there any issues that arise? Do I need to 'compensate' them? - from what I know of compensation I don't think my kit building skills are up to it. Also where can I get HMRS transfer sheets? - I have one for coaches and locos but not for wagons (I'd be building the wagons in their British Railways form).

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Re: Building wagons with long wheelbases

Postby flying scotsman123 » Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:55 pm

you can download an order form from the HMRS website, many other sites stock them, Peters spares have got there for about 75p off last time I looked
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Re: Building wagons with long wheelbases

Postby stuartp » Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:28 pm

The basic principle is the same as a shorter wheelbase wagon just an inch or so longer, and provided your track is properly laid, and you take care to keep everything square and resist the temptation to fiddle with it before the glue is properly dry, you can get away without compensation in OO. With the really long ones (e.g. Parkside LNER CCT) you might have to experiment a bit with couplings for best results on sharp curves.

There's a lot of 'ands' there. If you are at all unsure then fit one of these widgets: http://www.dartcastings.co.uk/resources ... ctions.pdf

You don't need to solder them, they assemble just fine with a dab of superglue in the corners. The hardest part is holding the wheels firmly enough to file pin-points off. I usually fit them as a matter of routine on anything longer than about 15' wheelbase.
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Re: Building wagons with long wheelbases

Postby Jim S-W » Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:40 pm

Compensation is a very outdated idea. You will be much better off using springing instead. It's not only easier but the end results are a lot better.

Have a look at https://www.eileensemporium.com/index.p ... t&Itemid=9

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Re: Building wagons with long wheelbases

Postby skyblue » Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:35 am

Thanks for the advice - I will give it a go and be patient with it. I learnt how important it is to ensure that it is all square when I built a box van which ended up more of a parallelogram shape - needless to say it didn't run at all well and is now a grounded van body in a scene on the layout. I'm going to a show next week so I'll keep an eye out there for the HMRS Transfers.

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Re: Building wagons with long wheelbases

Postby stuartp » Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:55 am

Forgot to say - as well as the HMRS transfers there are two very good ranges in Cambridge Custom Transfers and Modelmaster. Both do made up number sets for specific vehicles, I have a feeling the HMRS ones are individual figures which you have to align by eye. That way madness lies. The brandings on the HMRS sheet look good though.
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Re: Building wagons with long wheelbases

Postby Brossard » Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:11 pm

Agree about HMRS Stuart - trying to get a 6 digit number laid down using tiny numerals and all in a line is really a trial for the eyes. I've used Modelmaster for BR stuff and they are excellent. The made up numbers are much easier to apply but somewhat limiting.

HMRS transfers can be purchased retail, such as this: http://www.ontracks.co.uk/index.php?pag ... ue&cat=733 There are probably others.

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