Making Your Own Ballast Load

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Making Your Own Ballast Load

Postby GWMainline » Sun Apr 04, 2010 8:01 pm

Hello everyone,

Sorry if this is the wrong Forum area - I wasn't sure where to go!!

Anyway, having read a post where someone said "I've recently bought some Limpet wagons" it got me thinking. I too have bought some of these - and very nice they look in their Dutch livery - albeit empty. The wagons are Bachmann (spelling?). We are ballasting our layout at the moment and I was wondering about using any ballast that we have left over in our empty wagons - this would obvioulsy match with what we are using on the track - I'm thinking realism!!

Has anyonme tried this before? I was thinking that I could place the "load" into the wagon, then drip the diluted PVA through (just like we are on the rails). One thought was if we did a full load in one go the wagon might turn into a swimming pool - or ballast may float - so I wondered about doing a layer at a time until a suitable "full load" was reached.

Anyone tried this - how did you get on - any tips worth sharing?

Thanks in advance (back to some more ballasting now - cramp is playing up!!!!)

Regards,

John P.

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Re: Making Your Own Ballast Load

Postby bigbob » Sun Apr 04, 2010 8:05 pm

I`d have thought filling it would add a bit of weight. Use some spacers and cut a piece of card to fit. Then just glue ballast onto the card to give the "full load" effect. Not tried it just an idea!!

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Re: Making Your Own Ballast Load

Postby craw607 » Sun Apr 04, 2010 8:22 pm

I would agree with bigbob either cut a bit of card or use polysterene
then ballast.This is what I'm thinking of doing to my ZCVs
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Re: Making Your Own Ballast Load

Postby GWMainline » Sun Apr 04, 2010 8:27 pm

Thanks BigBob,

I wondered about the weight and I must admit that I thought about raising the floor to use less ballast / reduce weight. It may be possible to drop a "square of wood in (pine offcut - I've got loads left from making the baseboard). Or as you suggested - put some spacers in then a false floor of plasticard. I looked at some of the manfacturer loads and they seem kind of expensive for what they are. Also they might not match what you have on your layout. I suppose - as with most things in life - the best way is to give it a try and see how it turns out. It'll give me sometinhg to think about / do whilst I'm waiting for the track ballast to go off.

John (craw607),

Didn't think about Polystyrene - ive just bought a 1.2m by 2.4m piece of it too - (Doh!). That would certainly keep the weight down. One query - how would the PVA act with the Polystyrene? Would it "Stick" it or would I need to use a specialist adhesive?

Perhaps I'll post a thread of my attempts!!

Many thanks once again,

Regards,

John P.

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Re: Making Your Own Ballast Load

Postby craw607 » Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:12 pm

Hello
I once made a hill and stuck the polysterene in layers using neat PVA.
It may take a while longer till dry but stuck tiles together.
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Re: Making Your Own Ballast Load

Postby Roger (RJ) » Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:01 pm

I've used card for my coal wagon loads, from a cereal packet, no need for expensive plasticard!
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Re: Making Your Own Ballast Load

Postby GunnerBill » Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:06 pm

"Simmer for 5 minutes, stirring occasionally."

Is that how you made the ballast? What did you use that turned that black so quickly?

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Re: Making Your Own Ballast Load

Postby Brianetta » Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:18 pm

Some cut and folded card, with card braces glued to the underside. Covered in a thin coat of PVA, dipped upside down in my ballast bag, given a shake and allowed to dry. That's how I made this removable ballast load. Tip the wagon upside down, and it neatly drops out!

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Re: Making Your Own Ballast Load

Postby GWMainline » Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:54 pm

Hello again,

Thanks to you all for sharing your tips. The effects that you have obtained are exactly what I was thinking about - so that's it - it's a done deal - I'm going to have a go myself!!

Once complete I'll put a picture up of the results.

Thanks again.

Regards,

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Re: Making Your Own Ballast Load

Postby Grumpy » Wed Apr 07, 2010 11:05 pm

I have made quite a few wagon loads for my wagons.

I used polystyrene packing carved into small blocks. The top is shaped to simulate the load shape. These I glued into my wagons with PVA and then painted with a similar colour to match the load. You could leave them unglued so they can be removed. Once the paint is dry I covered the block with PVA and sprinkled the load material on top. This was then treated like track ballast and glue mixture dribbled on until it was all wet.
I forgot to paint a few of my load bases first and had to add some more load material to hide the white bits.

Whether you go card or polystyrene don't make the bases too high as you need to leave space on top for load material, and not all wagons were loaded to the brim.

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Re: Making Your Own Ballast Load

Postby Bufferstop » Wed Apr 07, 2010 11:10 pm

Stick a drawing pin into the top of the block before gluing on the load. Then you can use a magnet to lift the load out without having to prod or poke at it.
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Re: Making Your Own Ballast Load

Postby egroeg93 » Thu Apr 08, 2010 6:01 pm

Heres my own attempts, I fitted a small piece of wood into the wagon, then covered it over with the ballast.

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Re: Making Your Own Ballast Load

Postby Speed Whisker » Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:59 pm

That looks pretty good George. My only constructive criticism is that the load looks a little bit too heaped or too steep IMO. Perhaps it should be slightly flatter although not perfectly flat obviously. The load might look that steep when it's just been dropped into the wagon but I imagine it would settle a bit once the wagon is in motion (I may be wrong here and I'm sure someone will tell me so very soon).
At least you've had a bash at it which is more than I've done and my criticism is only a suggestion.
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Re: Making Your Own Ballast Load

Postby egroeg93 » Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:09 pm

i can see where your coming from :) Its not finished yet, i'll take bits off and add others.

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Re: Making Your Own Ballast Load

Postby Speed Whisker » Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:17 pm

I felt a bit guilty after making that post. It still looks very good despite what I said. :oops:
Why are the locos I want, in the liveries I want, always either non existent, out of stock, discontinued or collectors club only/limited editions?

I used to be with it, but now what I'm with is no longer it and what's it is somehow strange and confusing.


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