Modelling trodden grass

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Modelling trodden grass

Postby b9y » Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:52 am

Hey guys, what would you suggest would be the best thing to model this? I was thinking maybe putting static grass near paths but not charging them first. Do you think this may work? I can't find anything online and wondering if people have done this before. Thanks :)

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Re: Modelling trodden grass

Postby flying scotsman123 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:30 am

I'd put static grass down as normal for the whole field or whatever, then pat down with my little finger along the course of the path.
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Re: Modelling trodden grass

Postby heda » Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:33 am

Not something I have tried but I agree with Flying Scotsmans suggestion., tap it down while the pva is still wet. It might be worth experimenting on a piece of card before first. Let us know how it works out.

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Re: Modelling trodden grass

Postby Bufferstop » Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:25 pm

Depending on how trodden you want it to look the end of a piece of 4 or 6mm dowel may give more accurate treading :)
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Re: Modelling trodden grass

Postby b308 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:14 pm

Alawys worh looking at the real thing. If it's a regularly used path it wouldn't all be grass...

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Re: Modelling trodden grass

Postby Dad-1 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:32 pm

How trodden ?
b308's pictures show prototypical variations.

Here and the next page will show where I have paths with
grass worn away to an earth base, and other pictures showing
lightly trodden, or animal paths.

https://image.ibb.co/ejrO3w/IMG_2446.jpg

That link didn't work as I expected so try this :-
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=28436&start=150#p637580

Experiment is the best thing, you only need a small piece of
ply, or MDF.

Geoff T.
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Re: Modelling trodden grass

Postby b9y » Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:26 pm

Dad-1 wrote:How trodden ?
b308's pictures show prototypical variations.

Here and the next page will show where I have paths with
grass worn away to an earth base, and other pictures showing
lightly trodden, or animal paths.

https://image.ibb.co/ejrO3w/IMG_2446.jpg

That link didn't work as I expected so try this :-
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=28436&start=150#p637580

Experiment is the best thing, you only need a small piece of
ply, or MDF.

Geoff T.


Thanks for the suggestions guys. The old finger method should be good!

Geoff, how did you the worn away look as this is also what I'm looking to do :)

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Re: Modelling trodden grass

Postby Dad-1 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:39 pm

Hi b9y,

This link should take you to a place within one of my signature threads where I have shown
and explained in detail how I achieve my worn and threadbare patches either on a path, or
as in the link a worn gravelly entrance into a field.

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=28436&start=60&st=0&sk=t&sd=a#p527295

It could be of benefit to follow through my Workbench thread as it has loads of different
examples to do with modelling. Oh and I never have used a static grass bottle, home made
electro-static device, or very expensive commercial alternative. I just use great care and
control of forefinger and thumb, plus a huge collection of sands, ballasts, and grass flocks.

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Re: Modelling trodden grass

Postby b9y » Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:32 pm

Wahay! Thanks mate. Having a look now :)

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Re: Modelling trodden grass

Postby b9y » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:22 pm

So Geoff just to be clear you're not always using the applicator, just sprinkling?

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Re: Modelling trodden grass

Postby Dad-1 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:21 am

Hi b9y,

Correct.

My club has an applicator, but I've not used it, although in some circumstances
it can give a more upright grass. The trouble with 'Nature' is that after a good
rain fall grass gets flattened rather than standing too upright.

My gentle sprinkle from thumb & forefinger gives me more or less what I want.
However to make things slightly more complicated I work several layers of colour.
Something probably only achieved after experiments and developing a style. My
mixing includes, woodland scenics fine burnt turf a rather rubbery fine grain stuff
that I place on a layer of full thickness PVA glue. This absorbs glue and gives a good
keying base for the more random mixing of Jarvis Autumn flock, Jarvis Spring flock,
Jarvis Summer flock, Gaugemaster (Noch) spring flock, Gaugemaster summer flock,
Noch moorland flock, Woodland scenics autumn gold flock. I also occasionally throw
on some Greenscenes flocks. Why so many ? simply to introduce a variation of colour
as found in nature, nature does not do mono culture, each square metre may have
hundreds of different plants. You 'paint' a scene with all possible variations.

When I've laid the mix down on the sticky base layer I then mist spray with water and
drop on a ballast type watered down PVA glue from an eye dropper. Because the base
layer will be skinning gradually as you sprinkle on different flocks I work in small
areas at a time, probably never more that a 150 mm square. You also need to be
aware that excess thinned PVA will drain off - depending on how much glue you run on.
This was an excessively wet day !!

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Hope that helps

Geoff T.
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Re: Modelling trodden grass

Postby b9y » Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:17 am

Wow thank you so much! Amazing. Will be experimenting soon :)


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