From a "Hunt" to a "Shire"

What are you up to on your workbench
Ex-Pat
Posts: 1568
Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:51 pm
Location: Dundalk Ireland

From a "Hunt" to a "Shire"

Postby Ex-Pat » Fri May 12, 2017 8:42 am

This covers the conversion of a Hornby R3495 62760 “The Cotswold” to 62716 “Kincardineshire” – the raison d’être being covered in my layout thread.

P1060681.JPG
This is the loco as bought.
P1060681.JPG (191.03 KiB) Viewed 1033 times


P1060723.JPG
The first jobs were to cut away the cylinder outside steam pipes, remove the nameplate, and drill the frame lifting holes in front of the smoke-box.
P1060723.JPG (147.29 KiB) Viewed 1033 times




P1060730.JPG
A hole was drilled into the side of the smoke-box in order to take a new pipe. Part of the pipe-work along the left-hand side of the boiler and one of the lubricators needed removal - the remainder of the pipe was left in place as a support to the eventual reversing lever that would be fashioned. Milliput was used to fill in the voids left by the outside steam pipe removals.
P1060730.JPG (188.52 KiB) Viewed 1033 times


P1060732.JPG
Whereas the nameplate was bolted to the outside of the splasher on the Hunts, on the Shires it was set back from the edge of the splasher, and this needed spigots to help keep the nameplates upright.
P1060732.JPG (172.74 KiB) Viewed 1033 times


P1060733.JPG
Just a trial fitting of the nameplate
P1060733.JPG (161.41 KiB) Viewed 1033 times
Last edited by Ex-Pat on Fri May 12, 2017 9:34 am, edited 1 time in total.

Ex-Pat
Posts: 1568
Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:51 pm
Location: Dundalk Ireland

Re: From a "Hunt" to a "Shire"

Postby Ex-Pat » Fri May 12, 2017 9:13 am

P1060780.JPG
Particularly prominent on the Shires are 2 boxes just in front of the splasher (possibly something to do with the reversing gear?) and these were formed from wood with a pinhead to represent what appears to be relatively prominent in photos.

Another obvious embellishment to represent something on the rear splasher just in front of the right-hand cabside was fashioned from nickel silver and thick copper wire.
P1060780.JPG (151.15 KiB) Viewed 1026 times


P1060783.JPG
This shows the latter apparatus in place (the protuding copper pipe could be at a better angle but hopefully painting will improve its looks), and also more pipe-work removal on the right-hand side.
P1060783.JPG (188.93 KiB) Viewed 1026 times


Attention was then diverted to the tender, and the reason for my question at:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=51197

now becomes clearer.

“Kincardineshire” had a GCR 4,000 gallons tender with inner plated coal rails. Thus the Hornby supplied 4,200 gallons Group Standard tender was not at all suitable, and I bought a Bachmann O1 tender body to put on the Hornby chassis. Very much a case of “See how it goes and hope it works”!

P1060803.JPG
With the wheels and electrical bits removed from the tender the first steps were to remove the rear and front steps (and surrounding metal) to enable a gradual first fit of the body.
P1060803.JPG (137.77 KiB) Viewed 1026 times


P1060804.JPG
P1060804.JPG (154.72 KiB) Viewed 1026 times


P1060805.JPG
Gently does it - things are gradually working out.
P1060805.JPG (181.77 KiB) Viewed 1026 times

Ex-Pat
Posts: 1568
Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:51 pm
Location: Dundalk Ireland

Re: From a "Hunt" to a "Shire"

Postby Ex-Pat » Fri May 12, 2017 9:32 am

P1060806.JPG
Sensing that it might just work all right after all, more drastic surgery took me well beyond the point of no return.
P1060806.JPG (129.64 KiB) Viewed 1025 times


P1060810.JPG
P1060810.JPG (212.9 KiB) Viewed 1025 times


Careful filing resulted in the body being a nice push-fit.

I was acutely aware of not leaving the tender chassis too weak by over-filing and therefore had to settle for leaving the buffers approximately 0.5 mm too high.

P1060811.JPG
This view shows the height comparison with a Bachmann K3 tender.
P1060811.JPG (195.58 KiB) Viewed 1025 times


In contrast, the tender body itself needed only slight modification.

P1060809.JPG
A start has been made on fully cutting out the rivetted front plate - necessary because the Hornby chassis is a couple of mm longer than would be ideal.
P1060809.JPG (155.77 KiB) Viewed 1025 times


P1060817.JPG
The plated coal rails were effected by gluing thin plastic strips to the top of the tender.
P1060817.JPG (145.83 KiB) Viewed 1025 times
Last edited by Ex-Pat on Fri May 12, 2017 9:54 am, edited 1 time in total.

Ex-Pat
Posts: 1568
Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:51 pm
Location: Dundalk Ireland

Re: From a "Hunt" to a "Shire"

Postby Ex-Pat » Fri May 12, 2017 9:52 am

P1060818.JPG
All rails now added. Very difficult to keep absolutely parallel but painting will help disguise this.
P1060818.JPG (179.47 KiB) Viewed 1022 times


P1060951.JPG
Short lengths of wire had to be used when re-soldering the 4 wires from the loco, and thankfully it all worked satisfactorily.
P1060951.JPG (160.65 KiB) Viewed 1022 times


P1060944.JPG
The Hornby GS tender frames could not be shortened much at the front and protrude a couple of mm under the tender footplate. I offset this to a small degree by fashioning a new tender coupling link.
P1060944.JPG (227.16 KiB) Viewed 1022 times


Then I came to apply mixed traffic lining to the tender and found that the transfers I had bought many, many years ago were completely inseparable from their backing sheet.

So I am currently awaiting delivery of a new sheet from Modelmaster (and who assures me his transfers will last 40 to 50 years!).

P1060821.JPG
Back to the loco and now the reversing rod, the “box thing”, front step grab handles, lamp brackets & pipe from side of smoke-box have been added.
P1060821.JPG (174.93 KiB) Viewed 1022 times


Attention then turned to painting as far as I could.

Ex-Pat
Posts: 1568
Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:51 pm
Location: Dundalk Ireland

Re: From a "Hunt" to a "Shire"

Postby Ex-Pat » Fri May 12, 2017 10:14 am

P1060945.JPG
This is the gap between loco & tender with the original Hornby coupling.
P1060945.JPG (154.08 KiB) Viewed 1018 times


P1060947.JPG
And this is the gap with the self-fashioned coupling - in fact it could probably do with being even shorter, The new "6" transfer looks larger than the original Hornby numbers but a spot of weathering will help disguise it.
P1060947.JPG (166.71 KiB) Viewed 1018 times


P1060949.JPG
62A shed-plate in evidence.
P1060949.JPG (145.84 KiB) Viewed 1018 times


P1060958.JPG
Wherever possible I remove the tender coupling and replace it with a piece of wire bent to give it the right height for accepting the coupling of coaches or wagons. This was the method used by the late Frank Dyer on his Borchester layout.
P1060958.JPG (179.26 KiB) Viewed 1018 times


P1060964.JPG
The Hornby body is much “glossier” than the Bachmann weathered tender and so I toned down the loco body with mainly vertical brush strokes of matt black. Needs some more subtle touch-up work though!
P1060964.JPG (163.03 KiB) Viewed 1018 times


So, all that's left to do is apply the tender (and maybe splasher) lining when I receive the transfers, and then improve the weathering.

User avatar
manna
Posts: 656
Joined: Mon May 31, 2010 10:13 am
Location: Booborowie S Aust

Re: From a "Hunt" to a "Shire"

Postby manna » Fri May 12, 2017 11:28 am

G'Day Gents

Looks good, have you any more in mind.

manna
EDGWARE GN. Steam in the Suburbs

Ex-Pat
Posts: 1568
Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:51 pm
Location: Dundalk Ireland

Re: From a "Hunt" to a "Shire"

Postby Ex-Pat » Fri May 12, 2017 11:37 am

manna wrote:G'Day Gents

Looks good, have you any more in mind.

manna


Thanks manna no conversions as such (they're your field of expertise!) but I do have D30, J35 & J36 kits to tackle some day/month/year!

User avatar
carnehan
Posts: 1330
Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:44 pm

Re: From a "Hunt" to a "Shire"

Postby carnehan » Fri May 12, 2017 8:27 pm

Something very different from you Ex-Pat but the results have your same stamp of quality workmanship to it.

Inspiring.

Paul

Ex-Pat
Posts: 1568
Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:51 pm
Location: Dundalk Ireland

Re: From a "Hunt" to a "Shire"

Postby Ex-Pat » Fri May 12, 2017 9:53 pm

Thanks Paul - I would be delighted if it inspired somebody else to tackle the same, or similar, conversions.

User avatar
luckymucklebackit
Posts: 2658
Joined: Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:05 am
Location: Eaglesham, south of Glasgow
Contact:

Re: From a "Hunt" to a "Shire"

Postby luckymucklebackit » Sat May 13, 2017 3:43 pm

Lovely work Ex-Pat - bet you are glad it wasn't one with lentz poppet valves!!

Jim
This Signature Left Intentionally Blank, but since I have written this and I intended to do it, this Signature is intentionally not blank. Paradox or What?
My layout - Gateside and Northbridge
Image

Ex-Pat
Posts: 1568
Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:51 pm
Location: Dundalk Ireland

Re: From a "Hunt" to a "Shire"

Postby Ex-Pat » Sat May 13, 2017 4:46 pm

Thanks Jim - I was so disappointed that that wasn't the case!

Ex-Pat
Posts: 1568
Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:51 pm
Location: Dundalk Ireland

Re: From a "Hunt" to a "Shire"

Postby Ex-Pat » Tue May 23, 2017 9:17 pm

P1060985.JPG
The transfer lining sheet arrived.
P1060985.JPG (139.49 KiB) Viewed 896 times


(Any camera experts know the likely cause of the centre smudge - I can't see anything on the lens?)

P1060986.JPG
The two top corners have been applied and now the top edge is being teased off its backing card.
P1060986.JPG (138.49 KiB) Viewed 896 times


P1060987.JPG
One side finished – a couple of join marks are visible but eventual weathering will hide them.
P1060987.JPG (145.51 KiB) Viewed 896 times


P1060989.JPG
The splashers have also been lined, and I was going to do the boiler bands as well, but realized the existing solid red strip was going to take an age to scrape off – so I’ve left them (for now at least!). So,”Kincardineshire” has been coaled and turned ready for its return duty to Edinburgh, and then, no doubt, on to its home shed at Thornton Junction.
P1060989.JPG (167.29 KiB) Viewed 896 times

User avatar
luckymucklebackit
Posts: 2658
Joined: Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:05 am
Location: Eaglesham, south of Glasgow
Contact:

Re: From a "Hunt" to a "Shire"

Postby luckymucklebackit » Tue May 23, 2017 9:29 pm

Superb Ex Pat - Lining is one of the trickiest jobs to do successfully and you have done a great job, I have a Mainline Jubilee waiting for lining, I can't pluck up the courage to start it.

Jim
This Signature Left Intentionally Blank, but since I have written this and I intended to do it, this Signature is intentionally not blank. Paradox or What?
My layout - Gateside and Northbridge
Image

Ex-Pat
Posts: 1568
Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:51 pm
Location: Dundalk Ireland

Re: From a "Hunt" to a "Shire"

Postby Ex-Pat » Wed May 24, 2017 4:07 pm

luckymucklebackit wrote:, I can't pluck up the courage to start it.

Jim


Many thanks Jim for the compliment - it's not perfect, but it is a distinct improvement on my last tender lining job on a Jamieson V2 kit way back in the late 1960's.

P1060995.JPG
All those awful lumps in the paintwork - were airbrushes even around then, I wonder?
P1060995.JPG (160.97 KiB) Viewed 874 times


P1060996.JPG
Can't even remember how I did the lining - although it almost looks hand-done I seem to recall that I might have used lining transfers that weren't a patch on today's products.
P1060996.JPG (172.51 KiB) Viewed 874 times


Some year the plan is to strip down this V2, improve the handrails etc., salvage the chimney to replace a double chimney on one of my A3's and then scratchbuild the unique chimney for 60813 in black.

Getting back to "Kincardineshire" I was viewing the tender lining procedure with some trepidation, but in the end I found it quite straightforward - possibly a tribute to the standard of current day Modelmaster transfers.

I'm sure you'll find your Jubilee much easier than you think, and I look forward to seeing it!

Ex-Pat
Posts: 1568
Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:51 pm
Location: Dundalk Ireland

Re: From a "Hunt" to a "Shire" - & The Lady Vanishes

Postby Ex-Pat » Sat May 27, 2017 8:33 pm

Unlike with “Kincardineshire”, I know for a fact that 62679 “Lord Glenallan” visited Hawick, as I have a photo of it on shed there. For me it was therefore the natural choice for a re-naming of 62690 “The Lady of The Lake”.

Most re-namings merely involve affixing a new nameplate & numberplate – however the D11/2 class (along with other Scottish Classes D29/D30/D34/J36 etc.) had painted names, and many years ago I had purchased the Modelmaster transfer set 4007A. This included a selection of names/numbers from those classes plus a couple of ex-LMS Scottish classes.

It didn’t however include the names I specifically wanted and for years I was toying with the idea of cutting out individual letters from the names supplied to make up the name I wanted. I now steeled myself to doing just that.

P1060970.JPG
Here’s the Lady before she vanished.
P1060970.JPG (172.63 KiB) Viewed 843 times


P1060972.JPG
Rather surprised to encounter this puddle of oil when I took the body off the chassis.
P1060972.JPG (127.32 KiB) Viewed 843 times


P1060973.JPG
Last view of name and number.
P1060973.JPG (188.75 KiB) Viewed 843 times


P1060974.JPG
Blanking transfers ready to be applied.
P1060974.JPG (219.67 KiB) Viewed 843 times


P1060975.JPG
Looks like the Lady has vanished – note the non-perpendicular step that obviously evaded quality control! (Fixed by removing and re-glueing.)
P1060975.JPG (200.2 KiB) Viewed 843 times


T.B.C.
Last edited by Ex-Pat on Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:50 pm, edited 1 time in total.


Return to “The Workbench”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest