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Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Postby Bufferstop » Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:33 pm

It's a neatly moulded solebar that represents a wooden frame, and those couplings were riveted
on with a softish insulating layer sandwiched between the chassis and couplings, a bit odd ?


You mean a bit of cornflake packet shimstock.
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Postby Dad-1 » Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:06 pm

Errrrr Yes John, that's right.
I had to go so far back to find exactly what this was about !!
Remember, this is a not very well organized workbench.

Anyway I've been looking for some decals, not any old decal, but a GWR 'Toad' allocation
of Weymouth. My eyes are sore from looking and not found the like of yet.
Trouble is "I WANT" ....... Mother always warned me about saying 'I Want' !!

I'm hoping I can make a decent job from cutting individual letters from the HMRS GWR
decal sheet. All the letters required are in Wolverhampton & Shrewsbury allocations. I
suppose this will be testing my ability. Funny thing finding allocated numbers was easy.
I've noted the options of 114740, 114742, 114906, 114907, which I'll use I don't know.

One minor trouble is I don't have a spare Ratio kit ........ Have to order one of them now.

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Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Postby glencairn » Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:15 am

Dad-1 wrote:One minor trouble is I don't have a spare Ratio kit ........ Have to order one of them now.

Geoff T.


'Darn it'. I gave one away about three months ago.

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Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Postby Dad-1 » Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:40 pm

Hi Glencairn,

'Tis the thought that counts ......
Anyway I've just ordered another £50 worth of stuff, supposedly in the
clubs name and included the Toad. One was saying why do we need More Kadees.
Why don't we have a Kadee each end of a few wagons. Well we need at every
wagons end as we don't have room to accept rakes, singles moved around !

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Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Postby Dad-1 » Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:35 pm

Some wagons for our clubs West Bay layout have been included in the layout build thread, however
these are from my personal kit stock and will almost certainly be given to the club for use on the
new layout.
Everybody has been concentrating on the earlier periods, but West Bay was still in use for freight
into the 1960's. By that time wooden wagons had given way to the 16 ton steel minerals for gravel
extraction from the beach, and one would assume for any remaining coal business through the 1950's
when the steel mineral became king.
Here is todays reasonably leisurly construction of two Dapol 16 ton minerals. I've made so many that
I dump the instructions to follow my own construction sequence. First of which is to assemble the box
upside-down on a flat surface, following a quick clean up of the top edges.
When you have a nice tight box glued together it will provide a ledge onto which the floor can be
glued from the underside and it should be enough to correct any minor floor warping which is often
responsible for diagonal rocking when on their wheels.

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One kit had a broken brake lever, the other severly bent. Being thin, a double wetting with liquid poly allowed
to be bent back into shape & repaired.

When painting remember to drop the doors open, otherwise they'll probably get stuck shut. Now to
wait for the inside painting to dry, as well as the liquid poly which can take a couple of days to dry.
Liquid poly saturates the join area, soaking deep into the plastic and paint would act as a retardant
to fully drying.

I Will get back to that light fitting into the BR brake van, but that's just additional stock for me, where
these wagons will be at an exhibition in early January.

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Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Postby luckymucklebackit » Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:08 pm

That kit is a real survivor Geoff, I have one but I think I will buy some more. It is weird that the Dapol 16T mineral was built to the wrong wheelbase when they inherited the old Airfix kit with the correct proportions.

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Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Postby Bufferstop » Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:16 pm

The Dapol RTR model was probably using tooling that had come from the demise of Hornby Dublo, via Triang and Wrenn. Presumably something as fundamental as chassis dimensions was not going to get changed. Considering their target market and pricing Airfix put an amazing amount of effort into getting their kits right. The HD and Triang of the period shortened everything apart from locos as a matter of course. I measured up one of the HD Pullmans against a scale drawing and it was very enlightening to see how they compressed the length but still kept the proportions looking right, Triang in comparison simply left out one window bay.
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Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Postby Dad-1 » Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:12 am

I suppose they've all made mistakes, even Bachmann
with their 'long' cattle wagons.
The Dapol 16 tonner misses one thing that they SHOULD
do and that is to have more than one running number.
There are only so many ways you can cut and re-assemble
one set of numbers ! O.K there are loads of decal sheets
available, but would it tempt additional builds ?

Funny I wasn't aware of the wrong WB on the Dapol RTR
until I built some kits and had them alongside in a train
and it was obvious then that something was wrong !!

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Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Postby Bufferstop » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:43 am

Those models that started their life as Hornby Dublo Super Detail models have become elements in just about everyone's range, to the point that I suspect the current owners don't know what came from where. They actually predate the belated introduction of two rail by Hornby Dublo. The first ones released had the new moulded bodies on the original die cast chassis complete with solid brake gear, but fitted with hard nylon wheels.
Triang just handed the tools over to G&R Wren who tweaked the chassis. When Dapol bought the tools, they didn't take the ones for the diecast chassis, but they did take stocks of the chassis. I remember a complicated table published in Railway Modeller explaining which bodies would appear on which chassis and which box they would put them in. It was probably a case of intentions rather than a working document, or possibly retailers were confused and having opened boxes to compare contents managed to put them back in the wrong boxes. It was a bit of a lucky dip for a while. I never did work out who produced the tooling for the plastic chassis, it may be that Hornby Dublo designed it and commisioned the tools which ended up at Dapol.
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Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Postby Dad-1 » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:54 pm

My latest purchase, sort of for the club layout, but we have
no proof that it ever came to Bridport. We do know Weymouth
had one and they tended to supply the motive power for the
Bridport line.

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If the club isn't impressed I may keep for myself.
Only one minor problem the small accessory pack wasn't
in the box - asking Rails if they can sort that out.

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Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Postby Bufferstop » Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:20 pm

Nice looking loco, afraid I've got too many GWR examples already.
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Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Postby Dad-1 » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:04 pm

Part of making up these Dapol 16 ton minerals is fixing with Kadees.
It's turned out to be quite easy as when you cut the two ridges off
the Peco PA34 mounting blocks the remaining flat base is the right
height to stick straight onto the round stub mouldings on the kit
that would normally accept those old Airfix couplings. Then fitted
with Bachmann NEM pockets with Kadees they align well with the
Kadee mounting jig height.

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I'm going through loads of packets of Kadees, but 15 - 20 wagons
will need up to 10 packets at a fiver a time !

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Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Postby Bufferstop » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:52 pm

Those kits still make a decent looking wagon. Hard to believe they sold them in Woolworths for 12.5p a go when they first came out. ----- and they came in a printed cardboard box not just the poly bag. Wish I could still buy the platform canopies for 3/6d a pop.
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Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Postby Dad-1 » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:39 am

Perhaps without inflation we would all have flat tyres ?

I believe that Airfix tried their hardest to give us accurate models,
O.K the moving doors was perhaps a lean towards being a toy, but
it still works well enough for me.

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Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Postby Bufferstop » Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:07 am

It does show a difference in outlook by the manufacturers. Even making allowances for inflation, those prices represented a minuscule return on each one sold so they were either looking to the very long term to show profits or expecting massive sales when they were released.
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