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Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Posted: Fri May 29, 2020 7:40 pm
by Roger (RJ)
I've often wondered where the name Loriot comes from. Prompted by this thread I've just looked it up!

Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 11:14 am
by Dad-1
Come on Roger, let us all know the official story !
I though it was something like :- LOw RIdgid Open Truck
But could easily be wrong.

Running tests less than perfect. Although I built in some lead it's still very light. With my testing being on
a layout with some 1st radius curves this long wheelbase can't pull a heavy train behind it without occasional
derailing. I have a plan to add some more lead, which I hope will be enough.
I know the chassis is flat and square, the axles are if anything a little loose so no drag from the bearings. The
AG wheels have finer flanges, but I needed to use them in preference to my usual Hornby axle sets.

Part painted - You have to hold it somewhere !

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One of the tricky little pieces, adding an angled fillet with a small triangular plate to finish the upper front just above the spring.

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Fitting couplings was a doddle, small lengths of 2.4 mm square plastic gave the correct height onto which to attach the
PA34 Peco mountings giving coupling heights to match standard Bachmann fittings. I intend to add a small sandwich of
lead underneath where it will be more, or less hidden.

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I closed the back-to back slightly from 14.50 to 14.35 as running through some Peco short streamline points the wheels were
catching on the frog 'V' point. This partially from such a long fixed 4 wheel chassis, aggravated by the thin AG wheel sets.
This just proves that there are always exceptions to 'Rules of Thumb'. Always be prepared to amend following practical testing.

Geoff T.

Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 5:16 pm
by Roger (RJ)
Dad-1 wrote:Come on Roger, let us all know the official story !
I though it was something like :- LOw RIdgid Open Truck
But could easily be wrong.


I may not have found why the wagon is called Loriot, but a Loriot is a bird, an alternative name for a Golden Oriole.
I think your interpretation is excellent and makes perfect sense.

Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 5:57 pm
by Lysander
To be honest, it probably has no particular derivation. Why, for example, would a Toad be called such? Or a Gnat, a Chintz, a Beetle or a Hydra have those names?

The GWR's telegraph code book had over a thousand single words for both rolling stock and whole sentences/instuctions sent from place to place. I'd love a copy of one...

Tony

Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 9:02 pm
by Dad-1
Perhaps I should have done more research before I even bought the kit, however I've now decided it will
be DB998001 Diagram 2/900.
Difficult to research as these wagons must have had various updates as DB998001 carried both ZXP &
ZVO at different times.

I have also found out that this wagon was not at fault when derailing. It was marshalled next to the Low
Siphon and that was causing the problem. On 1st Radius curves and under a certain loading the central
wheel would drop off the rail head into the 4 foot, then as the curve diminished it would stay trapped
causing the Siphon to derail taking the Loriot with it.
That may take some sorting out. To negotiate 1st radius curves the flanges have been removed from the
central wheel set. This has been a cure-all for 6 wheel Dapol Milk tankers, and Oxford Rail 6 wheel Toad
brake vans. Obviously the shorter wheel base on those wagons doesn't bring the central wheel off the
rail head. I think my first plan will be to extend those central wheels out as far as I can. It'll only take a
small movement to keep wheels on the rail - I HOPE !!

Geoff T.

Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:28 pm
by Dad-1
Perhaps the last photo showing the Cambrian Loriot build.
It runs very well, just needs weathering at sometime.

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A load of a non-standard type. very nice !!

Geoff T.

Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2020 9:48 pm
by Dad-1
Life is always throwing up hills, or mountains to cross.
Just as I was starting on a 7 mm wagon kit I realised that the axle sets were missing.
Then
Another load of Derry's railway stuff was dropped in for me. It included a pile of locomotive boxes and 3 boxes of locomotives.
Now Derry had lots on display although he did run some up & down a line in his lounge, but many were mucky and not run for
a long time. So my time was taken by testing to check what worked, then seeing if there was a corresponding box.
Non-Runners
Why ? the first a Hornby T9 in excellent external condition the motor ran, but the loco didn't move. An internal examination revealed
the motor clamp had crumbled. O.K a known problem and perhaps I may be able to get a brass replacement from Peters Spares.
Then I opened up the unused Hornby 9F that was seized. Oh dear more metal decay causing one of the motor clamps to jam the
flywheel. Now I already had the Hornby Railroad 'Evening Star' 9F so thought I'd check mine - Oh Dear with mine the motor mountings
had failed to the degree that the motor was not engaging the drive gears.
On another web site (Thanks Bigmet) there is a list of known problems and although there was no mention of motor mountings failing
on the 9F's it did have a note that the Tender Chassis often had the problem. I checked Derry's tender, wheels seized. I didn't go back
to the loft to check mine, but fear the worst.

That means that to save these two little used locomotives I'll need to re-build at least one tender and try to get replacement motor
mounts as well as crossing my fingers that the footplate won't follow soon.
These tenders have the wheels mounted in what was once a tender drive. I think that I can make a chassis in to which I can fit the
existing wheels. This has put other things on the 'back burner' My initial attempt of producing two matching side frames is promising
but it is rather a try it and see process.

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Next to make up the centre spacers - Hey this wasn't in my plans !!
Mind you neither was getting Derr'ys American HO 2-6-6-4 DCC with sound, Number 1217, it must be rare as searching on-line I can't
find anything, although the same stable did 1218 with smoke, not had a chance to check if 1217 has that fitted. NO instructions !!

Geoff T.

Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:57 am
by Dad-1
Back to Wagons, this time 7 mm scale to go with my Dapol '0' Sentinel.
You can't have a '0' loco without something for it to pull. In some ways it seems daft as I don't have a
7 mm layout and never intend to have one, however I am making a variable 16 - 20 foot long loop for
the club. The track will be stored at the club rooms and an addition that I thought we should have.

As a wagon builder I thought making a couple of kits was the economical way of having wagons, Ready
to run are somewhat expensive, and second-hand is not for me as many have blemishes that I don't
want. They are expensive when compared to '00', yet when I look at the contents, instructions, even
packaging I believe they are exceptionally good value for money. You do get a lot in the box !!

This my Parkside PS113 LNER/BR Toad 'E' brake van, it cost me £38.18 a slight discount from 'retail'

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When you see it laid out like that you don't fully appreciate how big it is. Also it was at this point I
noticed that the axle sets were missing. Now on the way to me some manufacturers packing error.

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As you can see for a '00' modeller this is massive, compare to the Cambrian Loriot alongside. I had to
carefully scrape the joining surfaces and remove a couple of moulding pipe to tighten up the corners.
In addition these are so big I decided I had to paint the empty inside, a task before putting together.

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The use of many '3rd Hands' to hold together while the glue sets. It is so important to take your time
and make certain you have a good fitting and square assembly !!

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Even in the low light of the kitchen this morning you can see the dividing line inside between the brown
lower wall and cream upper. Searching for interior colours gave several options, most with cream, occasionally
white upper half. With either brown, or exterior bauxite for the lower half.

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Were I going into '0' in a big way I'd want an interior, in this scale you really can look inside. To achieve that
would tale a great deal of research and time, a white metal interior would be ideal, but probably cost as
much as the original kit.

Lots to do a real monster when alongside a Cambrian 'Shark' brake van.

Geoff T.

Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:28 pm
by Dad-1
Well tonight I did a little more - nothing to show because I'm limited by lock-down and waiting for the
axle sets to make up the axle boxes. To do that you need the brass bearings. Can't even paint as I've
run out of that !!
Today ANOTHER load of Derry's stuff, understandably no one is sorting real junk out so I have to do a
laboriously slow check. In with old rusty track I find things like an unused code 75 double slip and
3 way. Another 2 boxes of SMP track - perhaps I should be thinking of another layout ? Loads of empty
boxes for locos scattered through the last 5 deliveries. I now have a large box of crushed card buildings,
another full of rusty German manufacture bridges that are I fear destined for the refuse tip.
I'm told things like that can be sold on Ebay - perhaps I should try with the 3 x 3 rail turntables ?

Exhausted from sorting !!

Geoff T.

Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:20 pm
by Dad-1
It could be me ……… But wouldn't bet on it !!
ImageBB are now looking for paid subscriptions, at the same time the sites operating has changed making life a little more difficult.
There has always been a limit to the space ? Now this morning I added some pictures, but it wouldn't accept another couple I wanted
to add later. So have I hit the limit ? no form of warning though. While a small subscription would be acceptable their minimum of
around £70 is more than I'm prepared to pay.
I hope we're not heading the same way as Photobucket ? If so it will be the end of me.

Back to the workbench and my first '0' wagon.
The set of wheels have been received from Peco, so although without my required grey paint I can't build to much more I can put
the axle boxes together.

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As can be seen you have the axle box outer casing, a spacer that is part of the moving (compensating) design, the inner part that
is designed to move within the 'W' iron and of course the 'W' iron itself. The brass bearings are tubular and hold and align the components
together.

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These axle boxes need to slide and while I've not glued you can see that we have 3 potential problems. First careful preparation to
have free movement. Then painting, obviously if painted after assembly your paint will jam any movement. The other potential
foul-up is getting some glue to jam. Obviously this is going to take great care !!

When together the assembled 'W' iron and axle box needs to be fitted to the solebars. Take care - there are moulding pips in the hollow
where these must fit. In addition there are pips on the attachment face where you join to the solebar !! remove carefully before you
try gluing together or you'll have a disaster.

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There are also some very neat mouling pips on the sub-frame that attaches to the floor. I trimmed most off before I thought about
photographing, but here is the remains of one in the process of removal.

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There are still bags of 'bits' in the box, itself a great storage box for your finished masterpiece. These are so much more work than
any '00' wagon, loads of wire for grab rails, oh just on a different scale - Well yes 7mm as opposed to my 4 mm experiences !!

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The ginger paint on the wheels is just an undercoat, over which I will add dark earth. On '00' you can get away without painting,
not on '0' if you want a good looking job !!

Hooray - shops opening on Monday and hope I can collect the grey paints I've run out of over lock-down

Geoff T.

Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:41 pm
by Dad-1
These would have been added into the last posting, but as I said I was having some gremlins.
Not only that changing subject slightly as we go back to my Cambrian Kits 'Loriot' wagon.
I didn't have any specific decals and thought I could get away with using a mixture from a couple of
Modelmaster sheets. The difficulty is that to make the required number DB998001 I had to cut
individual numbers out of the sheets, then found that the quality of numbers varied. I'm not happy
with one side, but I'm afraid it'll have to do. Anyway you can't look at both sides at once and I will
be weathering at some time which will reduce the impact.

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When I say weathering will reduce, or hide the impact of differing font impressions just search the
running number DB998001 and you'll see some Paul Bartlett pictures and not a running number in
sight - all under accumulated crud !!

Geoff T.

Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:58 pm
by Dad-1
12 Days off ? Not at all. Just that what I've been doing is not any logical programme, just bits from
a long list of outstanding work.
A little while back I was discussing an old Airfix ready to run wagon that I was saving from my late
contact Derry. The wheels were wide plastic on very rusty axles and the couplings wouldn't work
well with my chosen standard which is NEM pockets with Bachmann narrow tension-lock couplings.

Here were the wheels

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I used a mini drill with a saw blade to cut away the existing mounting to leave a flat foundation. To
replace the wheels it was necessary to drill out three plastic rivets to release to sub-chassis which
could then be sprung enough to change. You can just make out the three rivets.

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Now fully updated, a real beauty for anyone looking for interesting stock, second-hand is not always rubbish.

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Another one I didn't know existed, but has turned out well is a Wrenn lowmac. This must be from the late
1950 or early 1960's. It comes with metal wheels that although wide roll well and have not created short
circuits on modern insulated points.
Again the mini drill was used to saw away existing couplings which have been replaced with NEM mounting
blocks, pockets and Bachmann couplings.

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Originally both these came without hooks, a cosmetic incidental when not using 3 link couplings, but they
should be there !

What else ? making up a stock box to hold what's required to run the clubs new shunting layout. Be warned
my carpentry is rubbish, so long as it doesn't fall apart I'll be happy.

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I'm also getting around to wiring in track for the clubs '0' shunting plank

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I will get back to that '0' brake van, soon, perhaps ? I did warn of my 'Butterfly Mind' that dances from project
to project. For instance I added decals last evening to a wagon that's been abandoned since November. I still have
to do some touch-up painting and thoroughly weather - White was NOT a good colour during steam traction days.

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Geoff T.

Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:09 pm
by Dad-1
More scraps of odds.
In a large box of mostly scrap '00' track I found a broken wagon, but not any broken wagon, but one
that suits my heavy freight biased running.

A Mainline 45 ton GWR Crocodile 'H' - I had earlier found a large boiler that it turns out was part of this particular issue.

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It was snapped at one neck, but still hanging together. With a nice clean break I decided to just run some superglue
into the splits and hold in place until dry. You can see which end was broken in a closeup photograph, but will not
be visible when in use on the track.

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With some subtle weathering to cover a few scuff marks this one will be fine.
Quite chuffed after spending a couple of hours condemning 85% of the track I found something really good.

Geoff T.

Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:41 am
by Dad-1
Rather than flit from job to job I MUST get on and finish this 7 mm '0' brake van.
now with wheels fitted in, buffers and 3 link couplings. I'm pushing my luck here
as I didn't reduce the picture size on these few.

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Under these there is a complex set of brake fittings.

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The next job is painting all the lower chassis in matt black, but NOT jamming the small
compensation movement in the 'W' irons. Compare the gap above the axle box to relate
to the actual movement range.

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Back to my smaller picture standard after these !!

Geoff T.

Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:36 am
by Dad-1
|It's only been a month, yet it seems to have dragged on rather. Well the end is in sight for this
'0' gauge project. There are several small fiddly jobs with parts you would expect to be difficult
in 4 mm scale models. These brake vans come with lamps suitable for the side mountings, made
up from 2 parts, the cap being rather tiny. Then the safety rails that prevent guards falling out are
secured by a two part mounting to represent the fixed end with the free end fitting into a slot.
As the instructions began to deteriorate I thought I'd look at the box top picture for guidance.

Oh surprise, surprise, when examined the model photographed for the box was not fully finished.
Was this because the maker was under a severe time pressure, or were these small parts being a drag ?

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Note that even two of the very low and small grab rails were missing. I know bending 8 x 3 mm long
pieces of wire is a drag, but it's all part of the job.

Anyway those small parts, with a dressmaking pin to show the scale. Remember those with holes are
already made from two pieces !

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Here I show the entrance safety bars at both ends, one will have the bar hanging and obviously not in
place yet.

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There is still a fair amount of work to do, initially touching up the paint that includes painting the undersides
of the roof white. Fixing lamp brackets and the two side lamps I'm having on my version. Then the fearsome
job of painting all those grab rails white without getting on the places you don't want it !

Although I can pick fault with the instructions the kit is good value for money and is making up into a first
class model for any 7 mm model railway.

Geoff T.