Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

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Postby Dad-1 » Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:06 pm

A rave from the grave, or at least the pending box !!
I can't go back to when first starting them, but it was always my intention to run a train of 3, or 4
Ratio 4 wheeled coaches on my little oval layout 'St Oval'. The earliest picture of a mostly constructed
coach is dated early 2014, but they were started sometime 2013 .... perhaps, surely not 2012 ?

Anyway figures were needed to add some life, this includes making the compartment walls and adding
seats, all things not included as part of the kits.

Sitting in the first class coach some mature ladies, all part of a lot of 15 white metal figures I've had here
for years.

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While in the third class

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Now I need to attach each roof, some trimming may be needed to clear the compartment dividers.
Then all exterior painting.

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Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Postby Lysander » Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:12 pm

Those figures are really rather nice Geoff.

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Postby TimberSurf » Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:10 pm

The coaches need some lighting to show off your nice figures now! :D
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Postby m.levin » Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:45 pm

Impressive as always Geoff, passengers finish it off nicely.

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Postby Peterm » Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:26 am

TimberSurf wrote:The coaches need some lighting to show off your nice figures now! :D

Yes I agree, some subtle lighting would come up a treat. Problem, where to put the gear to make it work?
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Postby TimberSurf » Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:49 pm

Peterm wrote:
TimberSurf wrote:The coaches need some lighting to show off your nice figures now! :D

Yes I agree, some subtle lighting would come up a treat. Problem, where to put the gear to make it work?

The pickups and rectifier can go in the bogie/underframe of the wheels, it's the capacitor that is bulky, but you can use several smaller ones and have them as "pressure vessels" under the carriage underframe
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Postby Peterm » Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:47 am

Yes it was the cap's I was thinking of. Tantalums could be used, being small.
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Postby Dad-1 » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:47 pm

Sorry I've not been posting much, not even got around to looking at my workbench.
An excuse being 3 exhibitions one after the other since 28th December.

The last was my clubs Beaminster exhibition where I was giving a demonstration of wagon kit building.
Starting at opening 10.00 Hrs, I had a Dapol 16 Ton Mineral wagon kit running on my Thomas Layout by
around 15.00 Hrs. Obviously not decalled, or painted, that has been progressing through and tonight
I decided to weather quite heavily.

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Another of my growing fleet of 16 tonners - You can NEVER have too many for a steam period layout.
Probably the best 'starter' kit around.

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Postby End2end » Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:43 pm

Peterm wrote:Yes I agree, some subtle lighting would come up a treat. Problem, where to put the gear to make it work?

If they have voids underneath like the Hornby 4 wheel coaches it's quite easy.
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Postby Stainsacre » Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:40 pm

Dad-1 wrote:Another of my growing fleet of 16 tonners...

Probably the best 'starter' kit around.


Geoff would it be possible to show us a picture of the underside showing how you have fixed the modern skinny couplings.

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Postby Peterm » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:50 am

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Peterm wrote:Yes I agree, some subtle lighting would come up a treat. Problem, where to put the gear to make it work?

If they have voids underneath like the Hornby 4 wheel coaches it's quite easy.
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Good thinking 99. I wonder if smd's could be used for size reduction. I know it was ages ago and it's all done and dusted, but just in case someone else tries it with smd's.
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Postby Dad-1 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:09 pm

1st regarding lighting. There is no way I either want, or intend adding lighting to those 4 wheel coaches.
Firstly they were most likely using oil lights, although gas would have been an option by 1930 which was
the last date on which a scheduled passenger train went into West Bay. Such lighting would be rather dull
and only show when operating in a darkened room which will not happen.

Now Dave,

Those modern skinny couplings are Bachmann, they do two lengths and short is usually best for most wagons.
They both (lengths) come in packs of 10 with NEM pockets. I try to have all my regularly used stock fitted with
them.
The key components are the Peco PA34 mounting blocks. These come in packets of 10, where you get 5 sprues
with two on each, that being enough for a single wagon. The complete packet therefore has enough for 5 wagons.
Last time I bought any I thing they were £3 a packet. DO NOT be put off by the description saying for cranked
couplings, but what you have to do is slightly modify for each application, These mounting blocks come with an
extended rib at each side, sometimes these are removed to leave a flat base, here is a Bachmann long coupling
and NEM pocket pressed into the mounting dovetail.

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One of the easiest fittings is to Dapol Wagon Kits where the original round mountings moulded into the floors
is at the correct height for the PA34's when those two ribs are cut off. I also lightly abraid the flattened surface
to assist a good liquidpoly attachment.
Here one is stuck in place and you can just see the round stub onto which you attach them. Very occasionally you
need to just trim at the back to make certain you don't foul the axle. To get a slightly reduce gap best to stick so
the end of the NEM pocket sits halfway into the bufferbeam thickness.

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Here you can see one still on it's sprue, one with the full ribs, and two where the rib have been trimmed away and
the flat base roughed up.

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On other kits you need to build small platforms and sometimes the full rib remains, other times one trims a small
sliver away. Always to get to the height of your 'best' Bachmann wagon before adding the liquid poly. I alway match
to another wagon as you can adjust about 1 mm up, or down while the glue is still very wet. I like to match to as near
to exact as I can.

An example of checking that a Cambrian Mermaid coupling is at the correct height.
The couplings must be on the wagons centre line, square to direction of travel, with no sideways twist. Getting that final
'set' right is always a few panic moments 'cos the glue's drying with every passing second !!

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Is that clear enough ?

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Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Postby Stainsacre » Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:59 pm

Thats great Geoff, sounds easy... I will try and procure some in the very near future and give them a go.
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Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Postby Dad-1 » Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:19 pm

Back in December I started working on a Parkside Ex LNER 21 ton Twin/Double bolster wagon
most went fine, but I stalled at weathering, as so often I do !!

So while I think about that crane, it was time to finish something.

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Here sitting on my old Two Short Planks layout that lives in my loft.

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Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Postby Dad-1 » Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:19 pm

Right, the current production.
A Cambrian Kits GWR 6 ton crane and match truck. The match truck is easy.

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The crane is a different matter, firstly the instructions are not particularly clear, written details come
across as confusing and pictorially the multi copied pictures are almost useless.

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