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Postby Dad-1 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:10 pm

I've done a little research on Ratio and they were working from Chorleywood between 1959
and 1961. That indicating this kit must have been one of their early examples from as long
as 60 years ago.

Do I make it, or give to Peco as a museum piece ?

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Postby TimberSurf » Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:46 pm

Ask Peco to swap it for a modern one, win win
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Postby Dad-1 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:08 pm

Progress , always some progress, even if it's going backwards, the footsteps are always additional.
The SHARK ...... it's bitten me a couple of times.
Almost all my own fault, first the brake hangars, Cambrian have in my experience always been spaced
for EM/P4. This time I didn't mod at the beginning as with the Mermaids, but later by adding small spacers
that I later drill through to fit the top of the moulded on spigots.

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Replaced the vacuum brake cross shaft with wire, I was going to try to use the kit part, but it broke when trying
to clean up the sprue attachment lump.

There were issues with fitting of the solebars and headstocks. I'd got slightly too high, it's amazing what can be
done with pliers so long as the glue and adjoining plastic is still softish.
Now ready for building in the big plough control wheels.

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The Ratio kit - they would keep & use, but suggested perhaps making it would be more fun - I tend to agree.

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Postby Dad-1 » Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:36 am

I think I'm becoming a recycling centre - We all know it makes sense.
Following on from being given the early 1960 Ratio kit I received an unexpected present
from a long standing cyber-friend, a Ratio GWR bogie bolster kit. That has now pushed
my wagon collection above 500, just, 501 actually.

Back to subject matter.
The Shark has some interior detail, control levers and wheel to be white, the supporting metalwork ? Black ?

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I suppose it's not woth fussing too much as how much detail will you see from lineside ?

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Now fitted glazing to cabin windows

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All steady progress, yet I've still not worked out if I can fit NEM pockets without butchering the ploughs.
I'm not fussed though as a wire loop will be fine and visually less impact.

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Postby Dad-1 » Sat Nov 23, 2019 5:35 pm

After needing access to the interior for painting The remaining side fixed into place.
Elastic bands make a fine third hand

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Now I've decided it will be black a little paint went on before bed.

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The kit design was for some Vee Plates to be attached to the top of each plough and then stick in place.
I wanted one plough lowered almost to working height. So I made plasticard inserts that the Vee Plates
are attached to and have glued in place.

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One will have the plough stuck in against my insert, the other I've made a step onto which the plough will
be attached. I can't be certain yet as we've lots of wet paint, but the idea is when this plough is attached
it'll be very close to the rail head, more or less working height rather than retracted.

Soon to be looking for decals for one of the first 4 BR constructed, built in 1951.

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Postby Dad-1 » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:57 pm

The Vee protective plates fixed as separate items. At the same time I bent my 0.5 mm wire coupling loops
these are slightly thinner than intended, but my only other option was 1.0 mm wire that I considered too thick.
When painted with a blotchy black, grey and dark earth they will be difficult to see. The advantage is no holes
through the Vee plates or ploughs. Disadvantage ? none really as this is for use at the end of an engineers train
and all my other engineering stock has hooks.

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Plough in the fully retracted position as was the kits intention and the usual not in use location.

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Here is my other end, down almost to rail head height and when being fixed may be slightly lower.

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Wire loops work well, but my thin wire could spring when pushing, but that should only be the brake van so I don't
expect a problem.

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Now time to start weathering before fixing ploughs in place. An interesting project that for some strange reason has
caught my imagination. I fancy in the future a picture with the lowered plough moving loose ballast.

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Postby Dad-1 » Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:29 am

Hi Dave,

I will be checking over Peco Set-Track points before all glued into place. If my memory serves me well (In doubt)
the later Peco points have a different over-centre spring arrangement and are flatter than Set-Track and early
production. I have all types in use in differing places.

I had been intending to take a short break and have put several not fully finished, mostly weathering, but a few
still need decals away onto my loft layout "Two Short Planks". That plan was thrown into question when out of the
blue I received a Ratio Bogie Bolster Kit No.562 as a gift, and I was unable to resist !!

First the loft line up of 22 recent (Since June) wagon builds.

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The Bogie Bolster details later.

Geoff T.
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Postby Dad-1 » Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:24 pm

The Ratio Bogie Bolster kit No.562 is quite simple, but with the odd wrinkle.
One of the build problems is that you need to replace early plastic kit wheels for metal.
However the axle lengths were longer and you can't just exchange without knowing
roughly what to do.

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A metal (Hornby) wheel set in front of the original kits plastic wheels - note axle lengths, even visible in this photo.
The bogies alongside have Hornby wheels fitted. The kit axle box holes are quite large and there is no need to try to
drill out to 2.0 mm for brass bearing inserts. They alone are not the answer as they sit rather loose in the holes and
would benefit from a washer under the top-hat, I didn't have any suitable, my 1.6 mm stainless steel washers wouldn't
fit over the bearing shank. My rather less than perfect remedy was to feed a little superglue on a pin onto the top-hat
and then using a scalpel blade to hold prized out slightly until set. A small amount on each end and you should keep your
wheel sets central - Take GREAT care not to get superglue on the axle or the wheels will be stuck solid !!!
Note in this picture the top-hat is not against the plastic of your axle box.

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Everything else goes together O.K. But couplings become the problem. I assume the included plastic coupling parts do align,
but as I've not made that way I can't comment. I wanted to have NEM pockets, but the tab extending from the bogie is at
the wrong height and with bogies made as per kit you're stumped. I decided to use the wire loop to produce a working
coupling, but as there is NO hook it is essential that this is run adjoined to a wagon or locomotive that is so fitted.

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Then just a fitting of Staunchions

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Finished with a good on track test running, now for decalling and painting, or at least the other way around !!

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I quite enjoyed that surpris present !!

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Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Postby Dad-1 » Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:30 pm

Dave,

I bend into any shape that takes my fancy - real consistent !!
With a little more paint.

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Postby Dad-1 » Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:14 am

Very little time over the weekend, but managed to get the decals on.
Now to weather, including a light black wash over springs in the bogey frame.

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Will there be time before Christmas ?

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Postby Dad-1 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:24 pm

The end of this project, now weathered.
Taken indoors under artificial light, reasonably light weathering.

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I then thought I'd try out doors, but low sun caused reflection highlighting
some angled pieces of the wagon. I can't decide on a load although I think
it deserves one, perhaps some trees off to the saw mill, or long planks for
which I think McDonalds coffee stirrers may be ideal ?

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These are difficult wagons to unearth their history. They were built for the Taff Vale Railway before
the Grouping of 1923. As such they are not mentioned in my main GWR wagon book and I have no
idea if they made it into early BR days although I suspect some of the 20 made did last that long.

What next ? probably not a lot before Christmas, but you never know !!

Geoff T.
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Postby Lysander » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:09 pm

I've built a few of these over the years Geoff. Depending on your era, pre-'43 they were Macaw G, post-'43 they were Bogie Bolster A. I'm pretty certain that whilst many Bogie Bolster A vehicles survived into BR use in various forms, none of the original Taff Vale vehicles did. However, I'd have to say that this is based on the seeming complete absence of photos on-line [or in the bible, which I assume you have] and the fact that they really would be quite old by 1948.

Tony
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Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Postby Dad-1 » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:36 am

Hi Tony,

Head out of 'N' workings ?

As you say very vague on turning up much on these. I did wonder how long they would have lasted
because unlike general merchandise vehicles these wouldn't get frequent (Every Day) use.
Still they suit my GWR period running on Castell Mawr, although I do fancy adding a tree-trunk load
as I already have several steel and pipe load bogie bolsters.

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Postby 6C » Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:03 am

TVR Diag.2073T - built in Feb 1911.

Very strongly built with a rating of 30 Tons.

Heavy telegraph poles were a popular cargo - and the wagon length also fitted in with these loads.

Definitely still around in the 50's with some surviving into the 70's in departmental use.

I have a Ratio one - with Diamond Frame bogies - used as a crane match wagon for a Dapol PW crane
Pete

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Re: Dad-1 - Workbench - West Bay Wagon Works

Postby Dad-1 » Sat Dec 07, 2019 4:53 pm

Thanks for that info Pete,

Funny, I'm looking for another kit to make with the diamond bogie frames
and modify enough to take NEM pockets.

Sorry all I can bring is a bottle of orangeade ......

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