Galgorm Hall - Reborn

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Re: Galgorm Hall - Reborn

Postby Ex-Pat » Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:25 am

carnehan wrote: As for points, yes, I'll be going electrofrog and installing point motors on each too with a single control panel for the entire system.

Paul


When drawing up your track plan do remember to super-impose the positions of any existing baseboard framework on the plan so that the point motors can be kept reasonably clear of such obstructions. (Existing framework has a large say in where you can put points!)

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Re: Galgorm Hall - Reborn

Postby Dave » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:01 pm

You mention the potential to remove for a house move or exhibition. The former is no problem but the latter is a world appart and will require much more planning.

You say it has to be only 2' wide so you can get the boards out... think connecting boards side to side as well as end to end to give more width if required.

Also do not think that you necessarily have to keep inside stupidly placed beams. If you look carefully at the pic from my old loft based layout you can make out a beam in the very bottom left, and another behind the trees top left. The boards had cut outs to go around the beams:

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Re: Galgorm Hall - Reborn

Postby b308 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:06 pm

Just a thought, but if you still want to have a fiddle yard is it possible to widen the end boards from 5x1 to, say, 5x2 and have the fiddle yards on the ends. If you lay curved points carefully you should be able to get a couple of loops either end.

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Re: Galgorm Hall - Reborn

Postby b308 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:16 pm

Dave wrote:You mention the potential to remove for a house move or exhibition. The former is no problem but the latter is a world appart and will require much more planning.


Yes, very true. An exhibition layout is a very different beast to a home layout. In theory if you were only looking at taking the layout down when (or if!) you move then really you don't need to bother with cutting the tack at each board end as you could do that with a slitting disk when you move. The chances are, though, that the space in the new house will not be identical to the existing space so it will all be in vain. Also your wish list will probably have moved on since then and you will want something else. Just stick with what you want on this layout and don't try to over-complicate things.

One possibility, it's something I plan to do in the future but not now, is to make a couple of boards removable (station ones probably) and make the rest permanent. I could then use those two boards together with a couple of separate non-scenic ones (which would be built for the exhibition and not part of the main layout and stored elsewhere) to make up the circuit for use at exhibitions. This would mean that you only need to make those two boards removable which simplifies things considerably and the fact that you won't have to move 10 boards if you want to exhibit!

If you plan to exhibit it's also worth thinking how you will get the layout to an exhibition, 4x2s are OK but need a reasonable sized car especially if there's more than two or three and not every exhibition will be willing to pay for a van if you are not already on the circuit and they know it's worth inviting you and paying the extra.

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Re: Galgorm Hall - Reborn

Postby carnehan » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:09 pm

Thanks for the feedback Dave and B308.

Dave, first off, that's a lovely shot from your old layout and demonstrates perfectly what can be achieved with similar space restriction.

Exhibiting is, as I said before, pie in the sky but I thought I should include it in the comments as part of my thought process. I would be a complete novice if it came to exhibiting so perhaps, B308, you are right, stick with the here and now and not what could be.

B308, I like your comments regarding track joins at board edges. Why complicate matters in initial laying and scenic construction when I don't have to. We have no plans to move and most work should be possible in, around and under the layout without extracting boards for work elsewhere.

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Re: Galgorm Hall - Reborn

Postby Dad-1 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:59 pm

Perhaps too complex to contemplate, but why have the whole layout extractable to take to an exhibition ?
The sheer amount of work involved I think makes something of the planned size a non-starter.
However .......
You have a recognised skill in buildings and scenics, so it should be possible to have say your station easily
detachable and that with a couple of 'spare' fiddlyard ends would give something to take out ?
It may sound crazy to start with ........ But ??

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Re: Galgorm Hall - Reborn

Postby glencairn » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:41 pm

Dad-1 wrote:Perhaps too complex to contemplate, but why have the whole layout extractable to take to an exhibition ?
The sheer amount of work involved I think makes something of the planned size a non-starter.
However .......
You have a recognised skill in buildings and scenics, so it should be possible to have say your station easily
detachable and that with a couple of 'spare' fiddlyard ends would give something to take out ?
It may sound crazy to start with ........ But ??

Geoff T.


The late Peter Denny of Buckingham Great Central fame would exhibit only Leighton Buzzard (Linslade), as the whole layout was far too large to transport.

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Re: Galgorm Hall - Reborn

Postby Emettman » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:07 pm

Starting to think..
Firstly about what happens with relatively decent curves turning from a 2ft board onto a 1ft wide board.

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Easily room for 4 tracks, 5 if necessary, with R3 as the minimum, With R4, four tracks would be tight but OK.

Broad possibilities with that.
A double track looped 8, with a bridge crossing in the board opposite the main station.
If the station is at bottom level and only one track climbs, the gradients are reasonable ~1:45.
If the station is at +1 inch so the lower line at the bridge can have dropped that, the gradients are nice.

At the station one double line goes into four platform faces (probably) while the rear one goes into four to provide two full-length storage loops.
(if they could be got to hold two trains each that would be a bonus)
These would be behind a retaining wall with townscape above.

An alternate would be to have a simpler double track oval (with extra platforms at station and a pair of storage loops elsewhere )
and the inner area as a single-track branch line, with a passing station on the opposite side of the layout
This could be configured as an oval, running through the main station, or it could run bay platform to bay platform at the main station, the two facing in opposite directions (separated by a station building would be nice...)
The thought here is that the passenger service survives because a couple of modest rail served industries also use the branch.
If they need each other's wagons it would solve the problem of where most of the specialised wagons go, to and from.
They should not too conveniently feed each other.

Still thinking

Chris
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Re: Galgorm Hall - Reborn

Postby carnehan » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:09 pm

Hi Chris, your thought process has already gone further than mine ever could.

I like both ideas but if you held a gun to my head I'd be persuaded more by the second one at he moment. I like the idea of a station on the far side of the layout being served by my DMU's out of that bay platform at Galgorm Hall.

The four line option would maybe restrict some of the scenics I could include due to the amount of trackwork needed.

Terrific work Chris. I'm liking this process a lot. :D

As to the other comments regarding lift out sections and general observations on exhibition layouts, I maybe need to hold fire on that. If I get the railway club I'm organising off the ground, I'll have other options in that field. I'm beginning to sway more towards this being a permanent fixture with minimal provisions included should the remote chance of a house move ever arise.

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Re: Galgorm Hall - Reborn

Postby carnehan » Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:50 pm

This week I made a commitment to this new start by ordering up my first pack of Code 75 flexi-track. It's a small step but a step nonetheless. Tomorrow, I hope to get an hour and start stripping everything back to the bare baseboards again. I'd also like to take the opportunity to tidy and organise the loft with some storage for locos, stock, accessories and the like in readiness for Mk2 commencement.

That's the plan anyway. :wink:

Paul

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Re: Galgorm Hall - Reborn

Postby michaelasc » Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:55 pm

carnehan wrote:Since coming back in to this hobby I've realised I'm a scenic modeller and not a track builder or creator. I just don't have the vision of how a railway line works and would happily take the plans of another individual and build my own vision of the scenery round that track.
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Paul, I am the exact opposite to you. I have a huge layout around 95% of which has the track laid and running just fine. As for scenery, I am less than 5% and struggling to get to grips with it.

Sadly, I'm in the USA otherwise I'd offer to swap our talents

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Re: Galgorm Hall - Reborn

Postby carnehan » Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:19 pm

Michael, perhaps are individual resources could have been pulled together for a great layout. Until you move to NI we will never know! :lol: We may continue are particular struggles alone for the time being.

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Re: Galgorm Hall - Reborn

Postby Brooker » Sat Jan 07, 2017 10:44 pm

I am certainly looking forward to seeing how this one develops.
V1 has been one of my most viewed threads through my lurking days.

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Re: Galgorm Hall - Reborn

Postby carnehan » Sun Jan 08, 2017 7:56 am

Thanks Brooker, so am I! :lol: At present there are a lot of thoughts and ideas floating about my head but no plan as yet.

This week I pulled up Mk1 in readiness for the new build. I'll have to replace two of the baseboards that were so heavy with track ballast, it would be easier and quicker to just start afresh.

Paul

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Re: Galgorm Hall - Reborn

Postby Emettman » Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:26 pm

I've not been well over Christmas, so am behind on my intentions for putting ideas together, but I should be able to sketch some soon.

It's been surprising what has been easy and what has not.
A bidirectional terminal on a double track through station is neatly done: a trailing crossover at each end of the platforms.
Adding two more platform faces/routes to keep main-lines running while a train is turned round, not quite so simple.

Biggest issue seems to be getting a bi-directional goods yard without pointwork multiplying all over the place (unless that's actually WANTED!)

Chris
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