009 - The Only Logical Conclusion?

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009 - The Only Logical Conclusion?

Postby whynot » Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:14 am

Having built a few (and started more!) micro- or minimal-00 "planks", I have finally concluded that I enjoy the creation bit (however amateurish) but soon become bored watching a loco and 2 or 3 wagons go back and forth! So, if I have to at least TRY a tail chaser.

The constraints are space and skill. Maximum width is 24" and length 36-48", so 00 is out. N is a contender, BUT falls at the skill constraint. While I would as with 00 buy locos and stock RTR, I'd prefer to be able to build/adapt structures and scenics - and N is simply too small.

So .... that I think leaves only 009! Locos can be bought (H0e RTR and 009 built kits) and stock available in various forms. With ballast, I'm not too exercised about the appearance of track, so a mix of Peco setrack (3 x 2nd radius curves in current plan) and code 80 Streamline (for electrofrogs and greater choice than in Peco 009).

This comes in at 2' x 3'6" which can be given houseroom!

What do the experts think - about the conclusion and the possible plan - please?

WHOOPS - photo failed - will try again!
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Re: 009 - The Only Logical Conclusion?

Postby whynot » Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:14 am

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Re: 009 - The Only Logical Conclusion?

Postby whynot » Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:20 am

And track plan:

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Re: 009 - The Only Logical Conclusion?

Postby alex3410 » Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:21 am

I am a tail chaser no question :lol: something relaxing about running them around and just watching, last night i had them going around while i was busy building a model it was nice to set and forget about them but being able to watch them fly past when i stopped to think!

I like the idea of 009 so will be watching with interest :) good luck with it however you decide to proceed

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Re: 009 - The Only Logical Conclusion?

Postby Bufferstop » Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:49 am

Stashed away in the loft I have a very similar micro layout in 009. Passing loop at the back, each loop split in two, so a possibilty of 3 - 4 short trains. Passing station at the front with the odd siding, one of which crosses the board on the diagonal and ends in a short spur in the rear fiddle yard. One day I'll get it down and restore it to life. I've been pondering the possibility of turning it into something akin to the Manx Electric in 3mm/ft. It's current state of abandonment is largely down to the poor quality of mechanisms available when I first developed it. I'm hoping that running it on Kato and Tomy mechs will be a bit better than the previous mix of early GF and Jouef chassis.
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Re: 009 - The Only Logical Conclusion?

Postby whynot » Sun Mar 16, 2014 4:45 pm

Still thinking .... standard N might be worth a try - same layout but with smaller scenics! Track plan would be reversed - loop to left rather than right. It's basically a stretched version of the delightful Littleton Curve layout.

Wondering if I could manage N scale kits, I tried a quick small goods shed from a few bits of card. Not pretty - e.g. roof and windows far too bulky, I could do better with a more care and planning, so maybe kits ARE possible.

It would be a cheap experiment - I have 1 loco and plenty of rolling stock, so whole thing come in at not much more than a ton!

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Isn't N SMALL?

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Re: 009 - The Only Logical Conclusion?

Postby Lofty » Sun Mar 16, 2014 7:34 pm

You have tons of space for 009

I have a test track in 0-16.5, continuous run in only 23" x 14"

Avalon Brickworks Link here is a 0-16.5 continuous run layout in 34" x 16"

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Re: 009 - The Only Logical Conclusion?

Postby Lofty » Sun Mar 16, 2014 7:37 pm

Have a look at the Micro Layout Design Gallery Link here they have a section on continuous layouts.

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Re: 009 - The Only Logical Conclusion?

Postby whynot » Sun Mar 16, 2014 8:17 pm

Thanks folks.

Space is certainly fine for 009 - but it would cost me a whole lot more than N (NG RTR is expensive AND I have a fair bit of N stuff). Railways are very much a pocket money hobby with me.

I've read the late Carl Arendt's wonderful site over and over again - it is simultaneously inspiring and depressing, knowing that my abilities are so inadequate!

PS Avalon is great - I assume hand built track - don't see how could torture any 00 down to those radii.
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Re: 009 - The Only Logical Conclusion?

Postby Lofty » Sun Mar 16, 2014 8:36 pm

whynot wrote:PS Avalon is great - I assume hand built track - don't see how could torture any 00 down to those radii.


Trust me, I have 'tortured' code 75 flexi down to 6" radius on my test track. This is for 0-16.5 7mm narrow gauge though not 00.

Code 100 would be more of a problem.

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Re: 009 - The Only Logical Conclusion?

Postby Lofty » Sun Mar 16, 2014 8:44 pm

Found a pic I took when testing the feasibility of extremely tight 7mm Narrow gauge.

The inside of this box is 14" wide. The loco is a Lime Ho shunter bashed into a small NG loco on a standard piece of Peco code 75

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Re: 009 - The Only Logical Conclusion?

Postby whynot » Sun Mar 16, 2014 8:50 pm

That is very interesting, Centurion - thank you.
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Re: 009 - The Only Logical Conclusion?

Postby Kentishman » Mon Mar 17, 2014 1:37 pm

whynot wrote:
I've read the late Carl Arendt's wonderful site over and over again - it is simultaneously inspiring and depressing, knowing that my abilities are so inadequate!


Just how I feel too. Model railway exhibitions have the same effect on me as well. It's Ally Pally this weekend, so I'm bracing myself for another bout of despair.

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Re: 009 - The Only Logical Conclusion?

Postby whynot » Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:46 am

How annoying! I've just written a lengthy piece setting out (for me as much as any readers!) where much reading and thinking has taken me! Somehow "lost" ...

Can't be bothered typing it all again, so just conclusions.

For 24" max width, N track only real solution.
British N pretty much rubbish runners, especially with R1 and setrack points, other than on DCC which is too expensive.
Kato chassis make 009 and even 09 a possible - but RTR rolling stock pricey and very few RTR locos or already built kits.
American N outline much better quality - but major investment and on R1 probably look a bit silly.

In short, with available space, my abilities and my unwillingness to spend a lot, a tail chaser not really a starter.

Two of my current 3 00 boards are currently provisionally sold.

Unless I have a sudden moment of inspiration (or something interesting comes up on ebay!), I'll just keep the original minimal terminus with which I began as a momento - and start buying bicycles for repair again!
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Re: 009 - The Only Logical Conclusion?

Postby b308 » Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:16 am

I've stayed out of it until now, Dave. Have you thought about using 3D printed models that use the Kato Tram Chassis? There are plenty available (in 009 and 09) on both Shapeways and Chris Ward sites...

http://www.chrisjward.co.uk/

http://www.shapeways.com/search?q=009&f ... ryId%5D=38

http://www.shapeways.com/search?q=O9&fa ... ryId%5D=38

That would meet your requirement for using the Japanese chassis and cost considerations and they are not really kits, just bodies that need painting and detailing... 9" curves are no issue in 009 or 09 and the Kato stuff runs well...


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