Class 23 pics

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Class 23 pics

Postby james13 » Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:53 am

Hi all,
Being new to this forum site I am hoping that someone here can help me with a few pictures of the front of the class 23 baby deltic. I recently purchased one and it was missing all the hoses and associated plumbing. I have since purchased all the relevant detail parts but have very little information on where they go.
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James
At the works building something.

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Re: Class 23 pics

Postby Bigmet » Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:07 am

Here's 'Teh Napier Chronicles' site, on the Baby Deltic section. Hopefully you'll find a useful pic. http://www.napier-chronicles.co.uk/class_23.htm

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Re: Class 23 pics

Postby GWR_fan » Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:48 am

Three class 23 arrived in this morning's mail and apart from one loco missing a windscreen wiper and two brake cylinders adrift in the packaging, I am overwhelmed with the look and quality of these models. I am not knowledgeable enough to comment on the criticism of the nose cowl curvature but am extremely pleased with all three models. I purchased two headcode disc original livery models (one with frost grilles) and a later full yellow front version. A top quality model with very good packaging.

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Re: Class 23 pics

Postby Bigmet » Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:04 am

The early version as it first ran on BR, all over green with disc headcodes looks near bob on to me. Lovely model.

I am tempted to go for sound as these made the most insane racket ever. A very direct two stroke diesel exhaust, fropm a very hogh revving engine for a diesel, with a turbocharger WAIL!! on top. They could be heard from miles away when on full power.

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Re: Class 23 pics

Postby GWR_fan » Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:26 am

Bigmet,
definitely a very nice locomotive. Perhaps a Dapol class 22 may follow assuming that they eventually come down in price, although I am hooked on the Metrovick-Vickers class 28 locomotives at present. A photo on Wiki shows a pair of early livery class 28 doubleheaded on a passenger train.

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Re: Class 23 pics

Postby Bigmet » Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:15 pm

GWR_fan wrote:Three class 23 arrived in this morning's mail and apart from one loco missing a windscreen wiper and two brake cylinders adrift in the packaging, I am overwhelmed with the look and quality of these models...

Something caught my eye as D5905 went out to work the 'Beer Train' from my KX, and it was a windscreen wiper missing. Definitely had it when it went into service, so it has dropped off 'somewhere' while running. So I failed it, and a B1 had to take the turn instead. (That's why I have pilot scheme diesels, so that good old reliable steam can take over when the diesel breaks down - again.)

On closer inspection it has also lost a couple of the small mouldings that represent the front cross-members of the bogies, but really this is detail not seen at three feet. Touch of the 'air glue' trouble on the small details of this model. But I still like it a lot.

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Re: Class 23 pics

Postby D605Eagle » Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:34 am

The number of times the steam department calls us to rescue one of their "good old reliable steam" locos is amazing. Keeps then pennies rolling in though :wink:

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Re: Class 23 pics

Postby Bigmet » Sat Oct 10, 2015 10:28 am

The situation was the reverse with the BR operational steam I knew best: then there was a large skilled workforce well practised in making steam traction work. The pilot diesels were mostly of poor design with severe problems arising in reliability and serviceability, and too few in the workforce with the skills to get on top of al the problems.

There was a brutal process of winnowing out all the diesel pilot scheme designs that were hopeless (Classes 15, 16, 21, 23, 24 - some of these were unceremoniously dumped and then withdrawn before steam ended!) and a focus on the equipment that had the makings of a working job (classes 20, 30, 40, 105) to enable the full transition to diesel. It wasn't pretty! Some may be surprised to see the class 24 in the hopeless list, but it wasn't up to the job of suburban passenger working which was where the great challenge lay. It 'couldn't be seen to fail' because it was BR's own design, but was rapidly confined to freight transfer where there weren't passengers to complain when it failed to perform - again.

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Re: Class 23 pics

Postby bike2steam » Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:44 pm

:) As a kid, trainspotting around London in the early '60's, you could always see more 'Baby Deltics' under repair at Stratford sheds than was either on shed at 34G or working from KX. Funny that all the 'hopeless' early diesel classes were either shedded at Stratford, always under repair there, or allocated as far away from London as possible. :)

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Re: Class 23 pics

Postby Bigmet » Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:26 pm

Yet of all of them it was Baby Deltic, class 23, that sticks in the mind; for all its poor reliability. Big brother, both DP1 and the production Deltics (class 55), were mightily impressive for the beat of the two motors and all the interesting effects that could produce.

But Baby Deltic was something else. The screaming from the turbocharge when it was running fast announced it coming from miles away. (I suspect being young at the time my hearing in the high frequency range was a lot better than today.) Then as it got closer the racket of the fast revving diesel with a very direct exhaust kicked in. And you got wonderful Doppler effect as it rattled past. A combination of a Rolls-Royce Spey and the biggest crudest motorbike engine ever invented. As a kid I thought it was wonderful; now I'd probably be among those doing the 'I do not believe it!' act if anything that noisy were introduced into service today. Though I'd still like to be on Welwyn North footbridge one more time hearing one all out on an Up fast train Cambridge-KX, announcing itself from Knebworth.

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Re: Class 23 pics

Postby bike2steam » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:01 pm

Yes, noisy, dirty (2-) 'strokers'.


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