To Members of the Forum,
Proper Representative LMS Royal Scot Passenger Rake Circa mid to late 1930s
Am a novice in the hobby with the following question? With the exception of two “porthole” (obviously post WWII vintage 1947) passenger coaches, would like to have the members of the forum comment and pass judgement on the composition and sequence of this representative LMS Royal Scot passenger train for the mid to late 1930’s time frame.
Locomotive Royal Scot “Gordon Highlander” 6106 6F and Stanier 4000 Tender (1927/6106)
BG - LMS 50 ft Full Brake Gangwayed (1938/30965)
Compo RKC or RC - LMS 68 ft Dining Car (Neutral) (1932/238)
QL- LMS 65 ft Porthole Vestibule 1st Class (Dining) Coach (1947)
CL- LMS 57 ft Porthole Corridor 1st Class Coach (Unk/M1126M)
CBC - LMS 57 ft Composite 1st and 3rd Class Coach (Unk/3705)
H - LMS 57 ft Corridor Brake 3rd Class (Unk/5714)
All recommendations and corrections graciously accepted, and thanks in advance,
Arnhem JIm
Arizona Erritory
Historical Real World Railways - LMS
Re: Historical Real World Railways - LMS
Your proportion of 1st to 3rd accommodation is the wrong way around, unless this was a very special train likely to be dominated by those travelling in 1st. It can be difficult to obtain as many 3rds as required, as these sell very fast to those that know the ratio of 3rd to 1st seats is typically 3:1.
The provision of composite coaches reflects this, providing a method for a train formation to have a more proportionately arranged seat ratio, with no penalty in train weight and length - train weights and lengths were an issue for many route's available traction power, and station track plans in particular.
Many of us have tried over the years to persuade our manufacturers to plan their model runs on this ratio, but perfect success eludes us...
As for formations, the normal thing was first class grouped in a location in the train that put them nearest station facilities such as first class waiting rooms, taxi stands and the like, with catering vehicles immediately adjacent: this of course somewhat route dependent, because station layouts were not to a uniform plan. A guard's brake vehicle either end was usual in mainline services, as that meant the formation required no change when direction of operation reversed; naturally most often the out and return legs, although there were locations where an onward srvice reversed en route. That said, in this period remarshalling of passenger stock was frequent, vehicles changed, added and deleted, to reflect established patterns of variation in passenger volume and catering service uptake day to day.
The provision of composite coaches reflects this, providing a method for a train formation to have a more proportionately arranged seat ratio, with no penalty in train weight and length - train weights and lengths were an issue for many route's available traction power, and station track plans in particular.
Many of us have tried over the years to persuade our manufacturers to plan their model runs on this ratio, but perfect success eludes us...
As for formations, the normal thing was first class grouped in a location in the train that put them nearest station facilities such as first class waiting rooms, taxi stands and the like, with catering vehicles immediately adjacent: this of course somewhat route dependent, because station layouts were not to a uniform plan. A guard's brake vehicle either end was usual in mainline services, as that meant the formation required no change when direction of operation reversed; naturally most often the out and return legs, although there were locations where an onward srvice reversed en route. That said, in this period remarshalling of passenger stock was frequent, vehicles changed, added and deleted, to reflect established patterns of variation in passenger volume and catering service uptake day to day.
Re: Historical Real World Railways - LMS
Hello again Paul,
Good to hear from you. Greatly appreciate your level of knowledge and willingness to share. My Bachmann Royal Scot is well able to handle the existing rake of 6 coaches, so over time I'll have to try and add a couple of LMS livery 3rd coaches. I'm glad at least to have the two brake vehicles properly positioned. Once again thank you very much for the guidance.
Best regards,
Arnhem Jim
Good to hear from you. Greatly appreciate your level of knowledge and willingness to share. My Bachmann Royal Scot is well able to handle the existing rake of 6 coaches, so over time I'll have to try and add a couple of LMS livery 3rd coaches. I'm glad at least to have the two brake vehicles properly positioned. Once again thank you very much for the guidance.
Best regards,
Arnhem Jim