Steam on Lincolnshire branchline in 1958

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Steam on Lincolnshire branchline in 1958

Postby Herri » Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:04 pm

I remember one daily freight service on the Lincolnshire Bardney to Louth line in 1958.
I am planning a OO model of Wragby (as we lived there in the station house) and can’t remember what type of Loco used to operate. It was definitely steam but I was only 9 :)
Any one throw any light on this ?

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Re: Steam on Lincolnshire branchline in 1958

Postby ChrisGreaves » Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:41 pm

Herri wrote:I remember one daily freight service on the Lincolnshire Bardney to Louth line in 1958. ... model of Wragby (as we lived there in the station house)

Hi Herri. Not me. I was far away at that time.
However I love reading maps and especially looking at old real-life layouts.
I went to Google Maps and was surprised to find nary a trace of a line Bardney to Louth via Wragby.
I am not doubting your statement or memory at all. It's just that so often we see a narrow pathway with gentle curves that shows where the line used to be (sometimes 'Railway Terrace" running alongside). I can't recall ever seeing a railway line being swallowed up so comnpletely by the countryside. Admittedly sixty years have passed ...
I can see a presumably WW2 airfield about 2km NE of Bardney.
(later) I think I have found it; given away by a "Station Road" and to its SW a gentle curving line.
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Re: Steam on Lincolnshire branchline in 1958

Postby Bigmet » Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:37 pm

You really need some definite local knowledge here. Quite often it is easy to guess the likely traction from what was allocated to the local sheds, but the choice in medium freight and mixed traffic tender loco classes from Boston, Lincoln, Louth and Immingham in 1959 (1958 won't have been much different!) is 'plentiful':

B1, J6, J11, J39, K2, K3, Ivatt 4MT 2-6-0 (and if you admit freight heavies, also O4, WD 2-8-0, 9F). I'd go for the pre-group 0-6-0s, J6 or J11 if the loads were modest, because pick up goods was the kind of work they were retained for.

Just in case it is of use.
http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/w/wragby/

Good luck with it!

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Re: Steam on Lincolnshire branchline in 1958

Postby Bufferstop » Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:58 pm

That looks to be the station site with the through line close to one boundary. Despite the land on the other side of Station Road having been cleared and put to grass, the line of the track can still be seen as a shadow across the site. That it links up with the hedgerows continuing onwards is just the bonus confirmation.
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Re: Steam on Lincolnshire branchline in 1958

Postby stuartp » Sat Mar 06, 2021 1:32 am

This is, I belive, a G-something-or-other, LNER afficianados will know better.

http://disused-stations.org.uk/b/bardney/index6.shtml

This, on the other hand, is definitely a Brittania. I would hazard a guess that it was not the regular pick-up goods loco but the 'light engine' headlamp code offers no clue as exactly what it is doing shunting a wayside station !

http://disused-stations.org.uk/b/bardney/index39.shtml
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Re: Steam on Lincolnshire branchline in 1958

Postby Bigmet » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:26 am

stuartp wrote:This is, I believe, a G-something-or-other, LNER afficianados will know better.

http://disused-stations.org.uk/b/bardney/index6.shtml...

EX GCR Robinson 4-6-2T, LNER and BR 'A5' (possibly one of the Gresley batch as he built a few more lightly modified, but without the number I cannot tell, that would need a specialist...).

FYI a G is an 0-4-4 in the LNER's scheme of loco coding.

https://www.lner.info/locos/locos.php

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Re: Steam on Lincolnshire branchline in 1958

Postby stuartp » Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:18 pm

Thanks Bigmet. Goodness knows where I got G from !
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Re: Steam on Lincolnshire branchline in 1958

Postby Ex-Pat » Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:24 pm

Welcome to the Forum Herri.

Looking at the third station north from Wragby this photo of a freight shows a J11 passing through Donington-on-Bain in April 1951.

http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/d/do ... dex3.shtml

Not necessarily a pick-up goods but certainly the J11 is a good contender for appropriate motive power.

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Re: Steam on Lincolnshire branchline in 1958

Postby Bigmet » Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:45 am

Ex-Pat wrote:...Looking at the third station north from Wragby this photo of a freight shows a J11 passing through Donington-on-Bain in April 1951...

Good spot. And how I agree that the locally shedded smaller pregroup design 0-6-0s would be the likely traction.

By the proposed date of 1958, these were no longer well suited to mainline work, for which there was a more than adequate selection of larger traction in the area anyway. But for jogging around what was by that date a goods only section, where facilities such as watering might by then have been reduced, they have the assets of a large water supply in the tender tank, adequate power, and mechanical simplicity such that an experienced crew could usually overcome any minor problems. But leave aside the analysis, they are such attractive locos as a type, and happily the J11 can be got in RTR. (Sadly no J6 as yet, but here's hoping; or I will have to get to work as my ancient kitbash is really past it.)

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Re: Steam on Lincolnshire branchline in 1958

Postby glencairn » Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:44 pm

An interesting idea, Herri. Are you thinking of operating it as freight only in 1958 or in another timeframe? In 1958 there may be Summer Saturday's only Holiday Specials to Cleethorpes operated by (maybe) a 'foreign' 4.6.0 locomotive on the line. I have been on a few in the late 1950s and travelled on secondary routes.

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Re: Steam on Lincolnshire branchline in 1958

Postby Herri » Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:58 pm

Thanks guys for the input.
I am looking at using my artists licence :lol: to create a slightly later period assuming Mr Beeching didn’t exist.
The branchline is extended and DMUs are running (must have as my father worked at the Lincoln diesel shed as an electrical engineer) and Wragby’s goods traffic has increased.
I just fancied at least one steam loco that wouldn’t look totally out of place.
Well, thats the plan. :D

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Re: Steam on Lincolnshire branchline in 1958

Postby Bigmet » Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:44 am

Herri wrote:...
The branchline is extended and DMUs are running (must have as my father worked at the Lincoln diesel shed as an electrical engineer) and Wragby’s goods traffic has increased. I just fancied at least one steam loco that wouldn’t look totally out of place...


How are you getting on? (I was reminded of your project by spotting a s/h class 105 DMU for sale in 'speed whiskers' livery at a reasonable price. I thought about it a little, then a couple of hours later decided to buy and it had gone...)

Something I forgot to mention in the way of steam for your GE section location in 1959. From 1958 the N7 0-6-2T's were significantly displaced from the Liverpool Street suburban services, and some were dispersed 'into the country'. That's another possibility for a steam loco that might have turned up at Wragby. There's a good model from Oxford Rail at a reasonable price.

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Re: Steam on Lincolnshire branchline in 1958

Postby muggins » Sun Apr 25, 2021 7:33 am

glencairn wrote:... In 1958 there may be Summer Saturday's only Holiday Specials to Cleethorpes operated by (maybe) a 'foreign' 4.6.0 locomotive on the line. I have been on a few in the late 1950s and travelled on secondary routes ...


In summer holidays 1958 I could usually be found train-spotting on the line into Cleethorpes station, and one day word spread that honest, there's an A4 sitting at the end of the siding on the seafront at Suggitt's Lane. And indeed there was. Can't remember which one, only that it was green, the crew was friendly, and it seemed to be there for ages.

Now, it was very rare indeed for anything at all to be seen in that siding apart from the odd coal wagon or two, this being explained by the blokes who manned the crossing in the summer telling us that it had been put in after the 1953 floods for the delivery of ballast and materials for the great rebuilding of the sea wall in that area. Furthermore, it was a "known fact" among we spotters that the reason why we never ever saw a Pacific at Cleethorpes was because of the tight bend past the fish docks at Grimsby, so in later years I eventually assumed that I must have imagined the whole thing.

Two years ago, a random series of events led to me establishing email contact with a school pal, and one day our trainspotting days came up. Sure enough "Did you ever see that streak in the siding at Suggitt's Lane?" says he! But we still don't know which one it was nor why it was there. We have though discovered that the siding in question was actually a very long headshunt off the New Clee sidings a couple of miles away, which, if anything, only adds to the mystery.

Verily, there's a prototype for everything ...

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Re: Steam on Lincolnshire branchline in 1958

Postby Herri » Sun Apr 25, 2021 7:59 pm

(Hope I’m not posting twice here)
Getting on ok. Having some issues with my reverse loop module.
I also tried to order 3 DMUs, 2 in the UK and one in Germany (Bachmann) although my money has gone, nothing has actually arrived. I hope this is a Covid thing and not what is “normal “ in model rail world.
Surfing the web, it seems there are stock issues everywhere, also for track.

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Re: Steam on Lincolnshire branchline in 1958

Postby Bigmet » Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:00 pm

If your purchases are delayed beyond the original delivery estimate, time to start making queries of the vendor...


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