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Designer ???? Johnson

Postby Tom@Crewe » Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:12 am

I am putting a little (Getting Big) database together of locomotives in Crewe depot's in the era of my layout.

Lots of info on the net but I can't find the first name of the designer 'Johnson'

Class 2F-I Allocated to Crewe 1957 to 1966
Number - 58135 Configuration 0-6-0,
Designer Johnson
Manufacturers Beyer Peacock Ltd. (30)
Dübs & Co (30)
Kitson (30)
Neilson, Reid & Co. (30)

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Re: Designer ???? Johnson

Postby glencairn » Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:55 am

Not my interest, but I think it is Samuel W Johnson.
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Re: Designer ???? Johnson

Postby rosenblad » Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:35 am

I can confirm that glencairn is right. It is Samuel Johnson.
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Re: Designer ???? Johnson

Postby Tom@Crewe » Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:22 am

Thanks for help all.
I have now done the Steam loco's and moving on to the diesels however this seems a lot harder to even find who designed them.
Can you help again?

03 BR
04 Class - 04
05 Class - 05
08 Class - 08
09 Class - 09
11 Class -11
20 EE & RSH Ltd Class - 20
24 Class - 24
40 English Electric / RSH Ltd Class - 40,
45 Class-45,
47 47 Co-Co
D2/12 D2/12
D3/1 D3/1
D3/6
D3/7 D3/7
DES1 DN DES1
Peak BR Derby Class - 44,
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Re: Designer ???? Johnson

Postby b308 » Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:28 am

With the diesels there wouldn't usually be an individual designer as such, though there wouldn't have been in steam days either, it's just that in steam days they usually quoted the CME as the designer even if it was usually many people who designed the locos.

Any how back to diesels you will normally find that they are listed by which company built them, for instance on that list the 08 and 09s were designed and built (in the main) by BR.
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Re: Designer ???? Johnson

Postby b308 » Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:31 am

Wikki can help here, just put in "BR class XX" and it will tell you all you need to know, for instance for the class 11s which were the LMS designed forerunners of the class 08/09s mentioned earlier:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_11

I'm not sure about D2/12, D3 etc., but they could be classes 44, 45 and 46 which were known in my day as Peaks (though technically only the 44s were named after Peaks the rest fell into the same category to us young spotters!) and numbered from D1 onwards...
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Re: Designer ???? Johnson

Postby b308 » Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:39 am

Finally DES1 DN DES1 - the number would indicate some sort of Departmental Loco but neither of my mid 60s Combines or Observer books list such a loco, there are some listed as "DS" but not "DES", Have you any more detail or photo?

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Re: Designer ???? Johnson

Postby Tom@Crewe » Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:49 pm

For my info the DES1 class are numbers 15000, 15001, 15002 & 15003 in Crewe N & S Depot's
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Re: Designer ???? Johnson

Postby Tom@Crewe » Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:53 pm

15000, 15001, 15002 & 15003 Built in Doncaster for LNER. But no designer info, So its just a Doncaster Works, Design!
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Re: Designer ???? Johnson

Postby Bufferstop » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:47 pm

I think it's safe to say that apart from the early, pre-nationalisation diesels they were pretty much either committee jobs or simply left to the outside builders drawing offices to provide a chassis and body to accommodate the required engine(s) and electrical gear. Where individuals got involved was usually with the styling, Kenneth Grange famously restyling the front of the HST rather than just designing a colour scheme for the drawing offices re arrangement of the prototype.
In the later diesels the slightly more angular cab window styling was down to a body called the BR Design Panel, and it may be worth looking for references to their work, certainly they influenced the design of 47s Westerns, Hymeks the AC electrics etc. The stainless steel cast double arrow was one of their influences but the technical stuff was all the doing of unnamed engineers in the various drawing offices, both BR and Loco Building companies.
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Re: Designer ???? Johnson

Postby 6C » Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:58 am

Tom@Crewe wrote:15000, 15001, 15002 & 15003 Built in Doncaster for LNER. But no designer info, So its just a Doncaster Works, Design!


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Re: Designer ???? Johnson

Postby D605Eagle » Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:53 am

b308 wrote:Wikki can help here, just put in "BR class XX" and it will tell you all you need to know, for instance for the class 11s which were the LMS designed forerunners of the class 08/09s mentioned earlier:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_11

I'm not sure about D2/12, D3 etc., but they could be classes 44, 45 and 46 which were known in my day as Peaks (though technically only the 44s were named after Peaks the rest fell into the same category to us young spotters!) and numbered from D1 onwards...

D2/12 and D3 etc were the early names for various small shunters. D3 became class 08s eventually, D2/12's were three Richard Maunsell designed 350bhp diesel electric shunters that were numbered in the 15201 - 3 in later BR years. Withdrawn in 1964.

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Re: Designer ???? Johnson

Postby luckymucklebackit » Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:02 am

D605Eagle wrote:
b308 wrote:Wikki can help here, just put in "BR class XX" and it will tell you all you need to know, for instance for the class 11s which were the LMS designed forerunners of the class 08/09s mentioned earlier:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_11

I'm not sure about D2/12, D3 etc., but they could be classes 44, 45 and 46 which were known in my day as Peaks (though technically only the 44s were named after Peaks the rest fell into the same category to us young spotters!) and numbered from D1 onwards...

D2/12 and D3 etc were the early names for various small shunters. D3 became class 08s eventually, D2/12's were three Richard Maunsell designed 350bhp diesel electric shunters that were numbered in the 15201 - 3 in later BR years. Withdrawn in 1964.


D2/12 and D3 were part of an earlier classification introduced by the Eastern Region but never adopted by the other regions, the locospotters books from the 1960/70s used to provide a table but I cannot remember anyone using these alphanumeric designations in any other context and I cannot find a table on-line. The Eastern Region authorities clearly thought that their system would be adopted as they allocated numbers to every diesel locomotive class in existence, including many that would never have been seen on the Eastern Region.

Wikipedia describes the system thus..

"The second classification system was developed in 1955 and applied to all types then in existence on British Rail. It was based on the format Dx/y, where x was the power of the locomotive in hundreds of horsepower and y was a number allocated sequentially to specific types (e.g. D1/1 would be a shunter with a 100 to 199 hp (75 to 148 kW) rating, D33/1 would be a (Deltic) Type 5 locomotive). The series was extensively re-arranged in 1962 in a somewhat confusing way, but following the same basic principles."

I will see if I can find one of my old books to scan

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