LMS 27T Iron Ore Tippler - diagram D2153

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Re: LMS 27T Iron Ore Tippler - diagram D2153

Postby 6C » Sun Feb 28, 2016 2:42 pm

Dad-1 wrote:Hi 6c,
Any chance of a photo ?
Geoff T.


Will have a go at taking a photo over the next couple of days - in work at the mo...

It really is an almost embarassingly easy conversion - a quick win if you will !. The most vexing task was adding the load...! :lol:

I will edit the little bit of research I did for this and post here too.
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Re: LMS 27T Iron Ore Tippler - diagram D2153

Postby 6C » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:07 am

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Try this - not an expert on uploading images and no photo site access !
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Re: LMS 27T Iron Ore Tippler - diagram D2153

Postby Pennine MC » Sun Mar 06, 2016 2:39 pm

Pete, apologies, it took me longer than I thought to find that pic. Copyright considerations aside, it's nowhere near clear enough to post, and it has a different lettering layout - IRON ORE TIPPLER writ large over the tonnage and number. That said, yours looks convincing enough :)

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Re: LMS 27T Iron Ore Tippler - diagram D2153

Postby 6C » Tue Mar 08, 2016 8:43 am

Pennine MC wrote:Pete, apologies, it took me longer than I thought to find that pic. Copyright considerations aside, it's nowhere near clear enough to post, and it has a different lettering layout - IRON ORE TIPPLER writ large over the tonnage and number. That said, yours looks convincing enough :)


Thanks for looking.. :wink: do you know what era the livery relates to..?

I think the transfers applied may be for the incarnation seen in the fabled Paul Bartlett pic - taken @1970 - when it was in BR bauxite - so that would explain the differences.

The difference in the 'labelling' of the BR wagons has always amused me - had BR decided that staff would not notice the lack of external doors etc and think they were 16t minerals - no you need IRON ORE TIPPLER written centrally, in foot high letters on each one !, apart from the fact that there was not enough room to apply this centrally on the 16T mineral.. :lol:
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Re: LMS 27T Iron Ore Tippler - diagram D2153

Postby Pennine MC » Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:05 pm

6C wrote:[]

Thanks for looking.. :wink: do you know what era the livery relates to..?


Forgot to specifically check the date, but it's a B1 very near the end of steam in the E Mids field - probably 1965/66

The difference in the 'labelling' of the BR wagons has always amused me - had BR decided that staff would not notice the lack of external doors etc and think they were 16t minerals - no you need IRON ORE TIPPLER written centrally, in foot high letters on each one !, apart from the fact that there was not enough room to apply this centrally on the 16T mineral.. :lol:


Heh :D I would guess it was more about picking out wagons at a distance, say in a marshalling yard or storage sidings.

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Re: LMS 27T Iron Ore Tippler - diagram D2153

Postby 6C » Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:25 pm

Thanks PennineMC

My big remaining question is - was it in grey livery ?

The V stripe on the doors is more of the type seen on LMS and MOT bauxite-liveried wagons c1950, which adds to the murky plot.
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Re: LMS 27T Iron Ore Tippler - diagram D2153

Postby Dad-1 » Thu Mar 10, 2016 3:49 pm

Sorry, I'm a bit late catching up on this.
Thanks for posting that - a very contorted story for these wagons.

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Re: LMS 27T Iron Ore Tippler - diagram D2153

Postby Pennine MC » Thu Mar 10, 2016 10:44 pm

Yes Pete, very definitely grey. I think the only reason the one in the Backtrack article was bauxite is that (like contemporary 16 tonners) it was delivered very shortly after Nationalisation.

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Re: LMS 27T Iron Ore Tippler - diagram D2153

Postby 6C » Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:55 pm

Just found out - late to the party that Bachmann did a version in their 'all blue box' (after blue/white and before blue/red box schemes) - under the 'Bachmann 33-752C' catalogue number - looks like the long incorrect wheelbase version - derived from the Mainline range ????
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Re: LMS 27T Iron Ore Tippler - diagram D2153

Postby Bigmet » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:10 am

The 33-xxx numbers are pre-Blue Riband standard, and the 16T mineral moulding will be the overscale Mainline item.

6C wrote:...The difference in the 'labelling' of the BR wagons has always amused me - had BR decided that staff would not notice the lack of external doors etc and think they were 16t minerals - no you need IRON ORE TIPPLER written centrally, in foot high letters on each one !...

You have to think in terms of worst case: performing the work of sorting wagons in foul conditions at night under inadequate lighting.

Back to the LMS build of what looked like regular 16T minerals with side doors, but rated for a 26/27T iron ore lading. A noticeable feature is that the tare of the wagon is around a ton and a half heavier, somewhere around 8-10 instead of 7-0. The plating was thicker to resist defomation, larger axle bearings fitted too.

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Re: LMS 27T Iron Ore Tippler - diagram D2153

Postby Pennine MC » Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:54 am

6C wrote:Just found out - late to the party that Bachmann did a version in their 'all blue box' (after blue/white and before blue/red box schemes) - under the 'Bachmann 33-752C' catalogue number - looks like the long incorrect wheelbase version - derived from the Mainline range ????


Yes, I have one. It's bauxite, in what's probably a 1950s lettering style


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