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Re: Dawlish Disaster!

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:37 am
by GeraldH
Bufferstop wrote:There used to be an alternative route, that now ends at Meldon quarry. It wasn't conidered as such in steam days, but modern stock wouldn't notice. Even the routes that IKB rejected wouldn't be impossible today. It's happened before, there's an often printed drawing of Victorian passengers picking their way along a roped off path over the debris with a train waiting at either end.


There are existing proposals to reopen the line from Bere Alston to Tavistock to alleiviate local road congestion. As I understand it, the proposal is designed to facilitate an extension up towards Meldon.

http://www.devon.gov.uk/index/transport ... ailway.htm

I believe there are a few obstacles in Tavistock which would have to be overcome, but maybe its time has finally come...

Re: Dawlish Disaster!

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:22 am
by luckymucklebackit
The Daily Telegraph claims that the Environment Agency last month shelved work on the section of coastal railway track at Dawlish that was severely damaged by the sea this week so that it could carry out a survey on the effect it would have on birdlife.

It quotes one Labour peer asking: "Are we looking after birds before humans?" The agency says it "does not recognise" the paper's description of the meeting it had with peers and Network Rail.

Jim

Re: Dawlish Disaster!

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:36 am
by b308
If the cliff collapses (as it has done several times recently) the birds lose their home, so I'm sure they'd be in favour of work to stabilize things...

Ruddy Quangos... :evil:

Re: Dawlish Disaster!

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:56 am
by Old Man Phil
Happier days at Dawlish.
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Re: Dawlish Disaster!

Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 1:57 pm
by tornado64
thought I had a new shed in my back garden this morning !!! on closer inspection it seems to be some southerners beach hut !!

Re: Dawlish Disaster!

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:47 pm
by johnco
Dare I say it, IKB got it wrong, but it took well over a century for the design to be proved faulty.
As for a temporary reinstatement, the LNWR had a temporary track (laid in a week) ramped down on to the beach with a temporary bridge over the river when the embankment and bridge were washed away in a flash flood at Llandulas on the Chester and Holyhead line. The temporary works were removed when the line and bridge were reinstated. Although it must be said that the location was not tidal.

Re: Dawlish Disaster!

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 4:08 pm
by b308
It didn't work from the beginning, and he did it again in Ireland, though they had the sense to rebuild theirs... The trouble is that it's become "iconic" with all the baggage that carries...

Re: Dawlish Disaster!

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:50 am
by tornado64
b308 wrote:They'll get it done, it would be too embarrassing not to but if they just replace it then it's only a short term fix....


another short term fix !! from Lewisham 1957

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Re: Dawlish Disaster!

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:24 am
by b308
Lewisham is hardly affected by strong winds, high tides and massive waves, though! Not a relevant comparison. :roll:

If they are serious about the line being a vital artery to the SW (and I'd debate that point, the Road link is far more important) then they have to seriously consider alternative routes that do not have the problems the Dawlish line does... However the one thing that Lewisham does have in common is that it was a quick fix that never got changed which is exactly what I expect will happen down there.

Re: Dawlish Disaster!

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:15 pm
by Bufferstop
With the aid of computer modelling it might be possible to create a reef just down the beach which could absorb the power of the incoming waves. It would probably require a few thousand, or million, tons of rock. Say about as much as building a temporary diversion across the beach.

Re: Dawlish Disaster!

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:52 pm
by tornado64
we have to sit and think realistically about this , it was a rare event storm !!! by freak weather conditions , just rebuild it as it was , most other alternatives would in reality be much too expensive , youd probably be able to rebuild 30 x plus for 30x plus freak storms for the cost of some of the other projects

in effect the railway is weather protections and sea defences , yes some properties were in a precarious position but they are still there !!

Re: Dawlish Disaster!

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:55 pm
by tornado64
b308 wrote:Lewisham is hardly affected by strong winds, high tides and massive waves, though! Not a relevant comparison. :roll:

If they are serious about the line being a vital artery to the SW (and I'd debate that point, the Road link is far more important) then they have to seriously consider alternative routes that do not have the problems the Dawlish line does... However the one thing that Lewisham does have in common is that it was a quick fix that never got changed which is exactly what I expect will happen down there.



you just said exactly what I pointed out !! :roll:

Re: Dawlish Disaster!

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 7:28 pm
by b308
Ah... Totally misread the jist of your post, sorry! :mrgreen: