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Bittern at 90mph

Postby hornbyandbf3fan » Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:41 pm

Does anyone know the times? As I'd like to film this
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Re: Bittern at 90mph

Postby markh » Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:46 pm

hi hornbyandbf3fan do you know where bittren is coming from or going to & on which line & the date then all you have to do is pic a good spot & just sit & wait

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Re: Bittern at 90mph

Postby b308 » Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:59 pm

One Google Search later:

http://railways.national-preservation.c ... 013-a.html

Just as long as we don't have to slow down for it!! :lol:

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Re: Bittern at 90mph

Postby Old Man Phil » Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:16 pm

Having read all the National Preservation poop, I would be inclined to think that the attempt would be made on Stoke Bank at around milepost 90 1/14 where the record was set. Even the date seems like a likely candidate too.
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Re: Bittern at 90mph

Postby hornbyandbf3fan » Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:43 pm

b308 wrote:One Google Search later:

http://railways.national-preservation.c ... 013-a.html

Just as long as we don't have to slow down for it!! :lol:


I meant what time will it go through a certain station. I know the dates. I can't just go and wait as I'd need my mum to drop me off :)
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Re: Bittern at 90mph

Postby hornbyandbf3fan » Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:54 pm

While I'm at it, anyone know any good spots near Newark? :D
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Re: Bittern at 90mph

Postby b308 » Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:02 pm

Old Man Phil wrote:Having read all the National Preservation poop, I would be inclined to think that the attempt would be made on Stoke Bank at around milepost 90 1/14 where the record was set. Even the date seems like a likely candidate too.


It shouldn't have any problem getting up to 90 on any flat bit, most express steam engines of that era were doing that all the time... It was getting above 100 and staying there for any worthwhile length of time that was the issue!

I'd agree that it would be an appropriate place, though I'd have thought that 100mph would be more suitable... At least if it's down there it wouldn't cause us any issues if it breaks down with overheated bearings!

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Re: Bittern at 90mph

Postby Rich5ltr » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:44 pm

The UK Steam Tours web site is most useful. You can drill into it to see routes, station timings, return workings etc. etc. I imagine you will find the run you are asking about on there. http://www.uksteam.info/tours/

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Re: Bittern at 90mph

Postby hornbyandbf3fan » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:51 am

Rich5ltr wrote:The UK Steam Tours web site is most useful. You can drill into it to see routes, station timings, return workings etc. etc. I imagine you will find the run you are asking about on there. http://www.uksteam.info/tours/


I had a luck yesterday, but it wasn't on. However, it's now been updated. :?
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Re: Bittern at 90mph

Postby Old Man Phil » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:56 am

Got a Facebook message from my old Trainspotting buddy in South Africa last night. It appears that there will be 3 scheduled 'tours' in June/july and all three will be attempts to top 90 mph. One of them will attack the stretch between York and Darlington on the Northallerton straight. In 1960 I timed A1, 60135, Madge Wildfire in excess of 90 mph along this stretch because we were running late out of York. The major factor to bear in mind is that in 1938, the 7 coach train was empty apart from the Westinghouse crew. What Bittern has to cope with is at least 10 coaches full to the brim with spectators and a damn inspector on the footplate ready to stomp on any kind of 'fun' if things aren't perfect.

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Re: Bittern at 90mph

Postby b308 » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:13 am

Come on Phil, you sound like you're trying to make excuses for it already, if it ain't up to the job of getting to 90 with a ten coacher then let a proper express engine do it... I think Colin will agree that a Duchess is the natural choice and you can add a few more coaches as well! :wink: :mrgreen:

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Re: Bittern at 90mph

Postby Old Man Phil » Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:31 am

No, no, you mis-understand. The last thing these events need is a 'Fat Controller' ranting on about safety becaause the coaches are filled to overflowing. If Bittern is in top condition then she can be thrased just like she used to be in the good old days 50 years ago. And lets face it...that's why people are coming to the show.

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Re: Bittern at 90mph

Postby b308 » Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:45 am

90mph isn't really thrashing it, though, is it? Thrashing a loco normally relates to hard acceleration, braking and hill climbing, running on level or slightly downhill stretches at 90 I wouldn't have thought would be regarded by the old school drivers as thrashing it? They were built to run at that speed day in day out... I take your point about the idiots who decide to stick their heads out of the windows or the spotters getting lineside when they shouldn't be (inside the fence for those of you non railwaymen types) and the reaction of the Inspector to such behaviour, but as far as the mechanical side of the loco is concerned then it should be up to that sort of speed without any issues!

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Re: Bittern at 90mph

Postby Bushey Troughs » Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:40 am

b308 wrote:Come on Phil, you sound like you're trying to make excuses for it already, if it ain't up to the job of getting to 90 with a ten coacher then let a proper express engine do it... I think Colin will agree that a Duchess is the natural choice and you can add a few more coaches as well! :wink: :mrgreen:

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Re: Bittern at 90mph

Postby senorsenales » Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:55 pm

I think people tend to forget that speeds of 90+ plus were being achieved on a regular basis in the days of steam.

My own personal records are of a Merchant Navy on the Down ACE at 100mph on Honiton Bank, and many reports in the Loco Performance pages of Trains Illustrated show that that those sorts of speeds were not that unusual, and with a big and heavy train in tow.

Most WCML trains were a Coronation and sixteen coaches, and for two years there was an express from North Wales that used to have to terminate at Watford because it was too big to get into Euston. A Princess Royal and nineteen on and it was no sluggard if it had a clear road.

Just because it was steam, and getting old and knackered, didn't put off an enthusiastic crew if they had the right engine. I have a tape recording of 34006 Bude leaving Eastleigh back in 1964/5 sometimes, and although they weren't getting it up to 90mph they seemed to be having a jolly good go from a standing start ! Still raises the hairs on the back of my neck listening to it now !


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