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whats the shortest HST

Postby hiffano » Fri May 13, 2011 2:11 pm

I could get away with!

now yes I know they were usually 9 or so cars, but thinking of my potential layout restrictions, are their examples of them running shorter trains at all, and what configuration might be likely.

sure I could just run a short one anyway, afer all my setting is made up so why not the services, but I'm trying to be mostly accurate lol.

I can run them in the 1985 era (so blue/grey or ICE) or modern XC service. I'd prefer the older setting for it though.

my longest service at present is 6 or so (loco, 5 coaches)
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Re: whats the shortest HST

Postby klaatu » Fri May 13, 2011 2:26 pm

I believe Virgin used to run 2+5 sets, and sometimes even shorter. And how about... http://www.hondawanderer.com/43042_Moreton-in-Marsh_2008.htm

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Re: whats the shortest HST

Postby poliss » Fri May 13, 2011 2:27 pm

This is the shortest. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN7naLLeB0A
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Re: whats the shortest HST

Postby hiffano » Fri May 13, 2011 2:30 pm

ooh, 2+2 lol.

seems XC do 2+7.

I shall keep mooching, thanks for your answers :-)
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Re: whats the shortest HST

Postby markh » Fri May 13, 2011 2:39 pm

so you dont have to buy a full car set of 10 cars


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Re: whats the shortest HST

Postby red death » Fri May 13, 2011 3:04 pm

Virgin regularly ran 2 + 5 sets when they had the Cross Country franchise before the Voyagers were available.

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Re: whats the shortest HST

Postby hiffano » Fri May 13, 2011 3:20 pm

2+5 would be spot on, but Virgin HST's don't figure in either of my time periods :-(
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Re: whats the shortest HST

Postby hairyhandedfool » Fri May 13, 2011 5:09 pm

In BR Days the shortest service trains were 2+7, however at various times you could see anything from a full set to just a power car and barrier vehicle!

Virgin used a 2+2 set in service in place of a 158 at one point I believe, very early in the XC franchise.
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Re: whats the shortest HST

Postby cmeonthemove » Fri May 13, 2011 6:49 pm

hairyhandedfool wrote:however at various times you could see anything from a full set to just a power car and barrier vehicle!


Often power cars for refurbishment tend to go as back-to-back power cars - certainly EC & FGW do anyway. I also remember seeing an FGW set with just one coach - this was going to a naming ceremony.

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Re: whats the shortest HST

Postby steam_mad » Fri May 13, 2011 6:55 pm

cmeonthemove wrote:
hairyhandedfool wrote:however at various times you could see anything from a full set to just a power car and barrier vehicle!


Like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDFhlxWZN3s

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Re: whats the shortest HST

Postby m8internet » Fri May 13, 2011 7:24 pm

hiffano wrote:2+5 would be spot on, but Virgin HST's don't figure in either of my time periods :-(

The time era you specified above was 1985 or XC
Could you be more specific, as Virgin XC is XC

I myself am modelling between 1985 and 2005, although with one or two exceptions
This allows me to operate Class 47s with Mark 2 coaches in Virgin livery, but also the full-length HST in Virgin livery, as well as Voyagers

As above, you could model the HST before Voyager introduction, which would be TF-TRSB-TS-TS-TGS
It may not be strictly correct time wise for your layout, but what is a few years here or there...
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Re: whats the shortest HST

Postby kennyGWSR » Fri May 13, 2011 7:43 pm

ive seen at least one photo of a power car running on its own recently, going to loughborough i think...
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Re: whats the shortest HST

Postby stuartp » Fri May 13, 2011 7:57 pm

hairyhandedfool wrote:Virgin used a 2+2 set in service in place of a 158 at one point I believe, very early in the XC franchise.


I believe they were stopped from doing it because less than 2+5 is underbraked, at least at normal operating speeds. This is the reason the Network Rail New Measurement Train has empty coaches in the consist as well as the test vehicles.
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Re: whats the shortest HST

Postby hairyhandedfool » Sat May 14, 2011 7:21 am

Well they didn't have the 158s very long IIRC, but yes the HSTs can't run full speed with less than a 2+5 formation, but then 158s can't get anywhere near 125mph, so I doubt there is a major difference in timings.
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