IEP and GW Bristol/Cardiff electrification get go ahead

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IEP and GW Bristol/Cardiff electrification get go ahead

Postby wobblybob » Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:51 pm

So it will be hybrid MUs that replace the HSTs.

http://www.railwaygazette.com/nc/news/s ... roved.html

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Re: IEP and GW Bristol/Cardiff electrification get go ahead

Postby Lysander » Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:55 pm

If you live west of Cardiff this is a real pain. Some Swansea trains will run through to Paddington - apparently - but a great many will require a change in Cardiff, and no seats/change of platform/lugging work and luggage.

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Re: IEP and GW Bristol/Cardiff electrification get go ahead

Postby PTmodeller » Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:08 pm

IEP - what a massive pile of poo that is. A train which will be so heavy it'll be inoperable without massive subsidy, which will be uncomfortable, cause massive track damage, and have bugger all seats in it so it'll go. All because the damn government won't electrify to Swansea or consider using diesel locos to haul it, resulting in a cheaper, more efficient and frankly better train. [/rant]

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Re: IEP and GW Bristol/Cardiff electrification get go ahead

Postby b308 » Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:09 pm

What evidence do you have for that statement, PT?

All the stuff on hybrid trains we've seen recently would indicate that they are no heavier or different to existing modern trains in weight... The proposal for the Voyager for instance just suggested an extra coach with pan and electrical gear with the remaining trains staying as is... An HST power car is considerably heavier than any powered coach in the current 125mph trains...

I think its the most logical solution, we on XC desperately need such hybrid trains.

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Re: IEP and GW Bristol/Cardiff electrification get go ahead

Postby wobblybob » Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:52 pm

If the Agility Trains IEP is a DEMU with the option of electric traction current from the overhead, this would seem very wasteful in terms of build costs and environmental costs: a diesel engine mounted beneath each carriage adding to overall train weight and power-consumption.

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Re: IEP and GW Bristol/Cardiff electrification get go ahead

Postby b308 » Fri Mar 04, 2011 4:59 pm

Doesn't add a great deal to the weight... Voyager coaches are 44/5 tons, a Mk3 30 odd, I'm not sure but spreading the traction ot may reduce track wear over a loco/power car as well (not sure on that)... We pay more for HSTs than the equivelant Voyager track-access wise...

According to Rail Professional which arrived this morning one idea is to electrify the MML and cascade Meridians to form the Ply/Penz trains with one car converted with a pan and running diesel from Newbury...

It seems no decission has yet been finalised, so we'll just have to wait and see what happens...

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Re: IEP and GW Bristol/Cardiff electrification get go ahead

Postby 50035 Ark Royal » Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:00 pm

b308 wrote:Doesn't add a great deal to the weight... Voyager coaches are 44/5 tons, a Mk3 30 odd, I'm not sure but spreading the traction ot may reduce track wear over a loco/power car as well (not sure on that)... We pay more for HSTs than the equivelant Voyager track-access wise...

According to Rail Professional which arrived this morning one idea is to electrify the MML and cascade Meridians to form the Ply/Penz trains with one car converted with a pan and running diesel from Newbury...

It seems no decission has yet been finalised, so we'll just have to wait and see what happens...

Bring back Heritage traction such as 37/47/50 or Deltics and a Western.
Would revive the fortune of the line as more bums on seats Heritage traction on a classic route as line speed only 70 mph they could cope easily with the 4 coach trains top, n tailing to avoid run rounds.
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Re: IEP and GW Bristol/Cardiff electrification get go ahead

Postby b308 » Sat Mar 05, 2011 9:26 am

My passengers couldn't give a hoot whats pulling them, AR, the only thing they are interested is getting to their destination on time and as fast as possible... As some expensive survey has just confirmed... now if they'd only asked us they'd have saved themselves a fortune!


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