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Why... Can't I drive a Train...

Postby Beep55 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:52 pm

I'm slightly confused at this.

I'm unable to drive a train because I have partial colourblindness. can't remember which colours but I can't see some of the numbers in those stupid bubble discs however... I can't see how this would impead me in driving a train... I can quite cleary see the difference between the Red/Yellow/Green aspects of a signal and obv semaphores, is there something else I am missing??? I really am annoyed cause a few years ago network railway cancelled my application for working as a Signal engineer because of my colour blindness, they said I wouldn;t be able to work on the trackside and well.. I feel a bit singled out really as I can't seem to think how my colour blindness would affect me.

seems unfair, not like I see black/White and grey :(

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Re: Why... Can't I drive a Train...

Postby poliss » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:07 pm

What colour are the signals showing on the bottom two photos on this page? http://www.signalbox.org/signals/lmsspeed-p.htm
Can you tell before reading the text?

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Postby Beep55 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:11 pm

First pic is Red

2nd is Green

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Re: Why... Can't I drive a Train...

Postby poliss » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:22 pm

Ah-ha. You should speak to your optician and see if they can provide some sort of certificate with a full description of your partial colour blindness. If the requirements are being able to tell the difference between red, yellow and green and you are able to do that, then I can't see why they could object.

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Re: Why... Can't I drive a Train...

Postby Bufferstop » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:28 pm

First off if you don't know which colours you can't differentiate your not in a position to argue your case. You need to find out. How old were you when you last took the test? I remember the last test I took, one of the cards I could see both numbers. The tester said some people could because they had enhanced sensitivity to UV light, ie. the opposite of colour blindness. She recommended I wear reactolite lenses to avoid eye strain in bright light. It may turn out that you can't resolve some very peculiar combination and that for all practical purposes you aren't colour blind. I can see that a specialist may well talk in degrees of colour blindness whereas to NR it's Y/N (or black and white :) ) Once you have all the facts you can ask them what there policy is.
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Re: Why... Can't I drive a Train...

Postby Beep55 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:53 pm

I'll have to do some more digging on this.

But I certainly would like to explore this avenue. The Job I'm currently doing isn't taking me anywhere in terms of Money or Career opportunities.

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Re: Why... Can't I drive a Train...

Postby m8internet » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:31 pm

Although you can't drive a train, you can still apply for other jobs in the rail industry

Colour blindness affects the drivers ability to CLEARLY see the correct colour and position of a signal, depending on conditions
The worst are fog with other lights also in view
It is basically for insurance purposes
In the event of an accident then the drivers vision may be included in any inquest (or as it would be now criminal investigation)
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Re: Why... Can't I drive a Train...

Postby Beep55 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:56 pm

I certainly don't see how my vison as it stands at present would hinder me in Driving a train. I can clearly see the difference between Red/Yellow/Green Signal lights in good or bad wheather, I can't see how fog would hinder me more so than another person.

This does annoy me A lot. I can see the colours between all 3 aspects VERY Cleary I.E. I don't need to think about what colour it is or wonder. Even at night.

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Re: Why... Can't I drive a Train...

Postby stuartp » Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:21 pm

Beep - you have a PM.
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Re: Why... Can't I drive a Train...

Postby m8internet » Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:49 pm

There are varying levels of colour blindness, depending on the type and magnitude

The basic one is blue/yellow, meaning you cannot tell the difference between blue and green on a yellow background
Obviously this rarely happens in real life (a yellow background)

The next obvious, and more common, is red/green
This means you cannot tell the difference between red and brown on a green background
This is the more serious one for any working in transport

My opinion is that you should not declare it, as it is not a registered disability
I was accepted on to the railway, even though I am red / green colour blind, and was able to drive trains
Sadly the policy has since changed and it is ALL forms of colour blindness
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Re: Why... Can't I drive a Train...

Postby b308 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:10 pm

Please don't do what m8 said... You must declare it, and state that you do not believe it affects the tests they do. If you didn't declare it you would be breaking the law by deliberately falsfying the application form.

You need to ask to take the colour blindness test, I'm not sure from your OP if you have or not at the present time... If you have, and failed then you can't do a driver or guards job or certain others.

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Re: Why... Can't I drive a Train...

Postby Beep55 » Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:04 am

I have done a colour blindness test. With the discs filled with dots. I'm really annoyed by it because all the jobs I've tried going for need me to have normal colour vision. . . I even went through a long 6 month application window with network rail for an advanced apprenticeship scheme. They were really keen and said I had the potentail to do really well, as soon as I didn't pass the medical (some 6 months into the application) they basically dropped me :-( it was the most gut wrenching feeling ever. . . If at the start of the process they had of said about colour blindness I wouldn't have bothered. It was a massive career step and I know now that I'll never be able to drive a train or even act as a guard. . . It's like the feeling of being disabled yet. . . I'm allowed to drive a car. The best I'll get is driving on train simulator I suppose. . . Lol i don't have any issues with signals or long distance viewing. Oh well, I'll make a claim for an orange badge. . . Hehe

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Re: Why... Can't I drive a Train...

Postby 50035 Ark Royal » Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:00 am

m8internet wrote:There are varying levels of colour blindness, depending on the type and magnitude

The basic one is blue/yellow, meaning you cannot tell the difference between blue and green on a yellow background
Obviously this rarely happens in real life (a yellow background)

The next obvious, and more common, is red/green
This means you cannot tell the difference between red and brown on a green background
This is the more serious one for any working in transport

My opinion is that you should not declare it, as it is not a registered disability
I was accepted on to the railway, even though I am red / green colour blind, and was able to drive trains
Sadly the policy has since changed and it is ALL forms of colour blindness

Well no offence, but i would not feel at all safe in a train driven by you.
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Re: Why... Can't I drive a Train...

Postby b308 » Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:20 am

Rather bluntly put, but he makes the point... The railways are VERY strict on colour blindness and it sounds as though you have a colour vision defect from what you've said. You might think that you are ok to drive a train, but conditions are very different to the likes of driving a car, and a mistake reading a signal or location or speed limit has far more catastrophic effects when working a train to driving a car. With regard to when they do the test, as far as I know they only do it when they do the medical, which tends to be the last stage of the process, and it can be very frustrating to find out then, I'd agree. Please don't compare yourself with a disabled person, even in jest, you aren't and I can assure you that you don't want to be!! I think that you need to accept that you can't do it and move on.

If its any consolation one of our RSMs (catering), whose Dad is a driver, applied for a gaurds job only to find out that his colour vision was defective, again, like you, he wasn't aware until he took the test, he also has a driving licenece and hadn't noticed any problems... needless to say he was devestated as well, probably more so because he was from a railway family and was following in their footsteps... however he's come round and still works with us, though in a non safety critical role... Have you thought of that side? Stations, on board, back office work?

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Re: Why... Can't I drive a Train...

Postby hairyhandedfool » Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:05 pm

As another view point, could you imagine the headlines if you were the driver in an accident that, in reality, had very little to do with your actions....

"...Train Driver was colourblind..."

I'm not being funny when I say no train company will entertain that in a million years!
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