MK1 Blue/Grey Pullmans

[kiwitram]

I've seen some of these too in 00,the umber and cream ones but don't know for the life of me what to run them with. I know that they would have been mingled with the usual Pullman cars but what loco would have hauled them? I can only think of the Hornby or Lima Royal Alex looking right, an I certianly can't afford that!

[kennyGWSR]

well they were introduced in the 60s (i think) so any of the last surviving steam locos plus the first gen diesels would have hauled them. i know that deltics used to be regulars on the blue/grey ones, but when i think of the umber ones i can only think of preserved steam on the mainline, 4965 Rood Ashton Hall, 71000 Duke of Glos, 9600, 44871 etc.....

[stuartp]

They're different in the same way as a Mk 1 brake second and Post Office sorting van are different - all the doors and windows are different - but it's a Mk 1 chassis, bogies (several variants), ends, gangways, roof, brakes, body profile etc etc, and built on the same jigs.

I'm fairly sure they were the same width too (although they might have appeared more spacious inside) but I'll check that. When first introduced they were Pullman cream and umber, the reverse blue/grey came later.

[b308]

I don't think they ever used the standard Mk1 bogie - that was one of the major failings of the Mk1s, I think that bogie was a development of the LMS design and was rubbish at speed... Commenwealth bogies and those based on the Gresley design being much better.

[stuartp]

Sorry, yes, I meant 'bogies of a type used on Mk1s' rather than specifically the BR1 bogie. I think the Pullmans only ever got Commonwealth bogies as used on later builds of normal Mk 1s.

According to Mr Parkin's book ("BR Mk1 Coaches"), Pullmans and 'normal' Mk 1s were both 9'0" wide.