0 - Coarse or Fine?

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0 - Coarse or Fine?

Postby whynot » Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:06 pm

The more I read the less I uderstand, so can anyone signpost me to basic guidance on coarse/fine compatability? I'm tempted by the Along Classic Lines 0 scale Pugs, but what track would I run them on? And what limitations would that place on what other stock I could run?

Any help appreciated! Thanks.
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Re: 0 - Coarse or Fine?

Postby b308 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 8:07 pm

Have you tried here, Dave?

http://www.gauge0guild.com/

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Re: 0 - Coarse or Fine?

Postby Cypher VII » Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:29 am

I would say coarse scale is less detailed and more suited to outside - 'playing trains'. Where as finescale is a more detailed approach, more for the serious 'modeller'

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Re: 0 - Coarse or Fine?

Postby b308 » Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:51 am

It rather depends on what you use your layout for, there was an O gauge layout called Sherwood (I think) which was purely built to run trains as per the real thing and to a timetable, it was coarse scale as it really didn't matter to those who operated it who weren't bothered about scenery and such.

Certainly if you wish to build a layout as close as possible to what the real thing looks like then Finescale is the way forward, as it is in any scale (P4 in OO and 9.42mm gauge in N), however there is still a place for Coarsescale in O, as mentioned outdoors is certainly one area!

Back to compatibility, the difference between them is in the names, finescale is built as close as is reasonably possble to the real thing whereas Coarsescale isn't, on that basis the two wouldn't normally be compatible as wheel standards and such things as gaps for checkrails in points and crossovers would be different.

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Re: 0 - Coarse or Fine?

Postby whynot » Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:52 am

Thanks all. I understand the detailed/models/toys aspects, it's more the question of coarse or fine wheel standards with which I'm struggling! For example, the "look" of the Along Clasic Lines loco and even the old Lima 4F is fine (sic!) by me, but it seems that neither would RUN on say Peco 0 scale track systems (although I THINK that Peco SM32 track would be OK).

I don't think that the cost argument against 0 is actually valid for the micro layout approach. One would need only 2 locos (a Lima and a Pug would come in at <£300) , c. 10 wagons and a few lengths of track and 2 or 3 points. Soon eclipsed by half a dozen 00 locos, lots of stock etc. And in 0 all buildings etc easily built in card!

If I could be happy as to running standards, then a grand would be a worthwhile investmemt - sell half my 00 stuff and a couple of bicycles, job done!

Alternative is I guess 0 16.5/0n30.

I must think harder....

PS @Blair, thanks, I've skimmed the 0 Gauge et al sites - perhaps I'll have to join!
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Re: 0 - Coarse or Fine?

Postby whynot » Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:38 am

Just in case anyone else has been tempted by the Along Classic Lines Pug (which on looks alone is a bargain on ebay), in reply to my Q the seller says, no, will not negotiate Peco 0 scale points, being primarily intended for 3 rail track.

Not a contender for me, then! New 3 rail from e.g. Maldon Rail is out of my economic league - 70 quid and up per point!

Shame....
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Re: 0 - Coarse or Fine?

Postby b308 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:36 am

Not a fan of 3 rail, Dave, except in it's proper context! I hadn't realised you were changing scales! Rather than join the GoG I'd have a look around first to see if there was an O scale forum and join up (I'm sure there will be one) and then ask them. I'm sure all the combinations of O scale RTR (there's quite a bit of continental stuff, btw) have been tried on Peco track and they'd be able to tell you! This place is a little OO and N bias for that sort of info!! Blair

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Re: 0 - Coarse or Fine?

Postby whynot » Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:27 am

"I hadn't realised you were changing scales!"

Well, just one of the ideas I am contemplating as a means of re-firing my enthusiasm! Any change would be an addition rather than start all over.....the "complete" 60" 00 branch station is a keeper whatever (altho' the loco numbers will be reduced).

TOO many possibilities, TOO little decisiveness, that's the trouble! I blame SCARM - I can spend hours doodling instead of doing.

I do like stuff a little out of the mainstream and a micro 0 scale scene has attractions, but then so does a tail chasing N and a micro H0 USA outline shunting layout! HELP....
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Re: 0 - Coarse or Fine?

Postby b308 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:48 am

Easy, East European Narrow Gauge... Well out of the mainstream!! :mrgreen:

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Re: 0 - Coarse or Fine?

Postby whynot » Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:11 pm

But there has to be RTR locos!

They are pretty, though!

http://www.beyondtheforest.com/Romania/CFR4.html
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Re: 0 - Coarse or Fine?

Postby b308 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:51 pm

The Lilliput U class has it's uses, though beyond that I agree it's kit or scratchbuild! :mrgreen:

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Re: 0 - Coarse or Fine?

Postby alex3410 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:56 pm

I am really tempted by the pugs as well would love one but don't have room for it and it would be a shame for it to just sit on the bookshelf

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Re: 0 - Coarse or Fine?

Postby fatmac » Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:42 am

Easiest/cheapest way into '0' gauge is an Ixion Hudswell Clarke 0-6-0 st (£225) & Skytrex (bargain offer) wagons (£30).
Shunting Micro, using a sector plate or traverser (no points), or just one point & a bit of pivotted track/sector plate.
(Approx. size would be in the region of 5ft x 1ft 3ins.)
See RMWeb for more '0' gauge info.
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index. ... modelling/

Alternatively, you could try Gn15, 'Big Scale, Minimum Space'.
G scale on 16-5mm track, representing 15" Estate & Industrial railways.
Take a look at http://www.gn15.info/

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Re: 0 - Coarse or Fine?

Postby whynot » Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:15 pm

The Ixion model is indeed very nice - and I have considered a "one point" 0 scale micro. I suppose minimum outlay would be nearing 500 quid. Not a deciding factor, but I'm tending to think that 0 16.5 will give me more for my money.

Thanks for the ideas/links.

THIS is an inspiration!

http://www.gauge0guild.com/Gazette/Article17_8.html
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Re: 0 - Coarse or Fine?

Postby Cypher VII » Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:48 pm

just to clarify for people, it's;

O gauge - the gauge of the track - 32mm
7mm scale - the scale of the reduction of size - 7mm= 1ft/1:43


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