2019 Catalogue Announcement

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2019 Catalogue Announcement

Postby luckymucklebackit » Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:25 pm

As was expected there s not much new in the catalogue, one new tooling for 00 is a HKA Bogie Hopper Wagon, but the eye openers have been the expansion of the 009 range with the following

392-025 Baguley-Drewry 70hp Diesel DH88 RNAD Dean Hill
392-026 Baguley-Drewry 70hp Diesel Green
393-100 RNAD Enclosed-End Brake Van RNAD Grey
393-101 RNAD Open-End Brake Van Statfold Barn Railway Brown
393-125 RNAD Van RNAD Grey
393-127 RNAD Van Statfold Barn Railway White ‘MICA B’
393-175 RNAD Flat Wagon Planked Ends RNAD Dean Hill with Sleeper Load
393-176 RNAD Flat Wagon Statfold Barn Railway Grey 'Serpent B'

As expected a large range of reliveried stuff on 00.

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Re: 2019 Catalogue Announcement

Postby Bigmet » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:19 pm

Hmm. The OO for 2019 is all reliveries of existing models, nothing from newly introduced tooling unless I am very much mistaken. And the 2019 catalogue tends toward reliveries of older tooling too. Where are the quite recent Stanier 'porthole' and Thompson gangwayed coaches in BR maroon? Surely they would do better than mk1 coaches, some of which (SK, BSK) are now at least 16 years from introduction if memory serves. Whatever, that's Bachmann's decision to make, but where once I spent most of my wonga allocated to RTR on Bachmann products, they don't stand much chance of my wallet's contents going their way in 2019.

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Re: 2019 Catalogue Announcement

Postby alex3410 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:22 pm

They are redoing the SECR C class in fully lined livery, it will be interesting to see what the RRP is and what effect it has on stupid second hand prices

i am hoping its another running number so i can justify grabbing one on preorder

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Re: 2019 Catalogue Announcement

Postby alex3410 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:52 pm

OK, that ideas gone out of the window - Hattons have it listed at £191.21 :shock:

I don't know if thats just inflation or if they are cashing in on the livery, knowing it went nuts second hand on eBay last time around so they can get away with it.

Fair enough the livery is complex, but Hornby have Terrier and Hattons P class both under £100 (Dapol terrier just over) with the same livery. An increase due to the size of the model vs the small locos is to be expected but twice the price seems over the top.

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Re: 2019 Catalogue Announcement

Postby Bigmet » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:27 pm

Bachmann's pricing is being driven by their parent company Kader. It was made very clear in a statement about three years past that Kader expected that now their UK wing was fully established they had to match the profitability which is achieved on equivalent product for other territories. The end result of that is going to be much higher prices for Bachmann products.

Whether Bachmann UK remains viable forced to operate like that I don't know for sure. What I am sure of is that the days of Bachmann product having the unusual combination of the best available model at a price typically no more and often less than that of the inferior competition are gone forever. (Very glad that I filled my boots before that finished. I still remember scarcely believing the all new introduction in 2007 of the class 47 at £39.99, so half the £80 price the Heljan 47 had been introduced at in 2002. That wasn't the only such either. From now on if Bachmann make something really useful to me, I know I will have to pay...)

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Re: 2019 Catalogue Announcement

Postby flying scotsman123 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:31 pm

It would be very optimistic to hope that the fully lined C class would return on sale at £69 or whatever it was when it regularly fetches £300+ on eBay regardless of pressures from Kader!
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Re: 2019 Catalogue Announcement

Postby Mike Parkes » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:47 pm

Bachmann made a loss on the SECR fully lined C when it was first issued due to the costs of its decoration so its no real surprise at the price now, particularly given that they are quoting for the CR Lined Blue 0-6-0 for Rails.

They do have a huge backlog of previous announced new models and scheduled this year from Bachmannn in OO are two steam locos, one diesel, one electric, three DMUs, an Electric and three wagons plus a OO9 wagon. The year in brackets is that of the original announcement and the quarter is the expected period of despatch from China;
First Quarter - Class 90 (2014)
Second Quarter - J72 (2015), ROD 2-8-0 (2018), Warflat (2013), Parrot bogie flat (2018), 009 Slate Wagon (2018)
Third Quarter - 45T Ransomes & Rapier Breakdown Crane (2014)
Fourth Quarter - Classes 24/1(2013), 117 (2015), 121 (2015), 158 (2013), 414 2-HAP(2016).

For Farish there two steam locos, one diesel, three ranges of coaches and a wagon
First Quarter - SECR Birdcage Coaching Stock (2014)
Second Quarter - SECR C (2017), TEA Bogie Tank (2017)
Third Quarter- Class 70/8 (2017), Mk2F coaches (2013)
Fourth quarter - 8F 2-8-0 (2017), Thompson coaches (2017)

Looking back at previous years announcements I would not be surprised if next years announcement is equally limited given the number of further previously announced models that are not listed as being available in 2019.

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Re: 2019 Catalogue Announcement

Postby alex3410 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:33 pm

flying scotsman123 wrote:It would be very optimistic to hope that the fully lined C class would return on sale at £69 or whatever it was when it regularly fetches £300+ on eBay regardless of pressures from Kader!


No but the £150 mark would be fairer price point compared to the other locos on the market.

The prices on eBay are inflated due to the low number made and the popularity of it, i did wonder if the new release would help balance it out but at that price point probably not.

I was equally disappointed with the price point of the CL lined blue from rails - it looks like a lovely little loco and when first announced I was really looking forward to it but can’t justify the price.

If they are selling out at this price point then fair enough, I will just need to accept they are not for me

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Re: 2019 Catalogue Announcement

Postby ErlestokeManor7812 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:57 pm

Quiet pleased with the new diesel for the narrow gauge and the addition of several preserved locos, nice to see less new tooling, hopefully this means they can play catch up on the previous announcements.


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Re: 2019 Catalogue Announcement

Postby rb277170 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:19 pm

It is amazing after all these reasons why prices must go up , the price of a 66 goes down about £25 when there’s a bit of competition.

I don’t think they had much choice . Announcing new models without timings and prices just says they are at a very early stage ie they’ve got a photo and done some basic research . They would have been laughed at .

Theyve obviously decided 009 is the way to go. Can probably get good margins there as not much competition.

So overall no surprises . Only thing I’d say is if they are reintroducing the 45s why would they not do a later sealed beam one? Similarly new compounds but not a red one , the most popular livery. What have they got against Crimson Ramblers?

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Re: 2019 Catalogue Announcement

Postby flying scotsman123 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:22 pm

alex3410 wrote:
flying scotsman123 wrote:I
I was equally disappointed with the price point of the CL lined blue from rails - it looks like a lovely little loco and when first announced I was really looking forward to it but can’t justify the price.


I really like that loco too, indeed I travelled 275 miles to go and see the real one! Quite tempted to do a non-motorised scratch build at some point though, as it would look very nice on a little diorama with a suitable carriage, and would probably cost <£20 rather than £200.
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Re: 2019 Catalogue Announcement

Postby alex3410 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:53 pm

I was debating something similar to be honest, maybe finding another loco that’s similar but cheaper and repainting it in a similar livery - it’s the shade of blue that makes it.

Just have to add it to a very long to do list :lol:

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Re: 2019 Catalogue Announcement

Postby flying scotsman123 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:21 pm

alex3410 wrote:I was debating something similar to be honest, maybe finding another loco that’s similar but cheaper and repainting it in a similar livery - it’s the shade of blue that makes it.

Just have to add it to a very long to do list :lol:


Absolutely - to both the blue and the to do list!
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Re: 2019 Catalogue Announcement

Postby Bigmet » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:25 am

rb277170 wrote:It is amazing after all these reasons why prices must go up , the price of a 66 goes down about £25 when there’s a bit of competition...

Twas ever thus. Prices have to overall go up due to their parent company's profitability direction. But it is all opportunity pricing through the range, so the effect isn't evenly distributed over the product lines. This one now has probably superior competition arriving, so not so much; that one is changing hands s/h at prices well in excess of original retail, so we will price for as big a piece of the action as we dare on that. Both will be profitable, but one very much more so than the other...

(Or in other words, the suggested retail price has no fixed relationship to the production cost of the model, the pricing is all estimation of what the market will bear. This is typical of all consumer goods, from mobile phones to cars, so we should not be surprised.)

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Re: 2019 Catalogue Announcement

Postby Mike Parkes » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:52 pm

Bigmet wrote:Hmm. The OO for 2019 is all reliveries of existing models, nothing from newly introduced tooling unless I am very much mistaken. And the 2019 catalogue tends toward reliveries of older tooling too. Where are the quite recent Stanier 'porthole' and Thompson gangwayed coaches in BR maroon?
Bachmanns announcement is simply restricted to what they are adding to the range this year and as always ignores previously announced models which have yet to appear. The maroon porthole coaches were announced as part of the 2017 announcement and are expected to be shipped from China in the first quarter this year.


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