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Bachmann 0-6-0 tanks

Postby muggins » Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:56 pm

I have a 57xx and a 1F, both of which I'm very happy with, and I see they now do a 64xx. Does anybody know if that's the same motor and gearing as the 57xx?

Also, they list the Jinty as being available only in LMS black or weathered BR late crest, but I'm fairly sure I've seen early crest unweathered ones advertised s/h. How old are those likely to be, and would they be the same running gear as the current two?

ETA - can I safely assume that none of the Bachmann 0-6-0 tanks have split chassis or ringfield motors?

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Re: Bachmann 0-6-0 tanks

Postby Ironduke » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:16 pm

muggins wrote:can I safely assume that none of the Bachmann 0-6-0 tanks have split chassis or ringfield motors?


No ringfield motors but, if you need to know about split chassis before you buy, try searching for a service sheet.

There is a rather incomplete selection here and you might find more using google.

Split chassis are not a huge barrier if you're considering DCC conversion but they do make it difficult.
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Re: Bachmann 0-6-0 tanks

Postby pointstaken » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:48 pm

Rob,

Good to see your name on a posting again.

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Re: Bachmann 0-6-0 tanks

Postby SRman » Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:30 am

If you buy earlier models of the 57XX, there is a chance you could find a split chassis, but all current ones have a new chassis. The 1F and 3F 'Jinties', and 64XX panniers all post-date split chassis in any case, although some early ones (ans earlier releases of the 57XX with later chassis) may not have DCC sockets fitted.

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Re: Bachmann 0-6-0 tanks

Postby Bigmet » Sun Nov 27, 2016 4:00 pm

muggins wrote:...can I safely assume that none of the Bachmann 0-6-0 tanks have split chassis or ringfield motors?

No. In addition to the 57xx which had a long run in split chassis form, the J72 has only ever been produced as a split chassis model. Supposed to get a modern mechanism at some point, but matters progress very slowly at Bachmann these days...

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Re: Bachmann 0-6-0 tanks

Postby Bufferstop » Sun Nov 27, 2016 5:09 pm

In the end it comes down to how much demand is there for a re-engineered model.
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Re: Bachmann 0-6-0 tanks

Postby muggins » Sun Nov 27, 2016 5:58 pm

Hmmm ... so if I want a Bachmann 0-6-0 tank and I don't like the idea of split chassis, it looks like the choice is the two I've got (57xx and 1F) or the new 64xx.

Or maybe the Jinty? I'm still not clear about that one. If I can find a s/h unweathered BR black one, when's that likely to have been made?

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Re: Bachmann 0-6-0 tanks

Postby GWR_fan » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:10 pm

muggins wrote:Hmmm ... so if I want a Bachmann 0-6-0 tank and I don't like the idea of split chassis, it looks like the choice is the two I've got (57xx and 1F) or the new 64xx.

Or maybe the Jinty? I'm still not clear about that one. If I can find a s/h unweathered BR black one, when's that likely to have been made?


What about the Bachmann 8750/87XX class. This has been around for years in non- split chassis form although early ones had a circuit board but were not DCC ready, even though all the wires are at the board to easily hard wire a decoder. Look up Bachmann 32-200 plus all the alphabetical variants such as 32-200A and so on.

Bachmann 32-200 - GWR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uHX1fVmfNA

Bachmann 32-200A- GWR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txt3oo58pLs

Bachmann 32-201- (BR black)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQT3e9EFNrA

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Re: Bachmann 0-6-0 tanks

Postby muggins » Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:03 am

Ah. I think my missus might like the look of that BR lined 87xx. I wonder if that's her Xmas present sorted ...

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Re: Bachmann 0-6-0 tanks

Postby Bigmet » Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:06 am

muggins wrote: ... Or maybe the Jinty? I'm still not clear about that one. If I can find a s/h unweathered BR black one, when's that likely to have been made?

Any time from when they came on the market in about 2005. 32-230 was a 2010 catalogue release, black early crest so just what you are looking for. But not fitted with a DCC decoder socket - if there has been an upgrade to include a decoder socket, it is later than this release.

Bachmann probably will at some point release some USA tanks in their own range, depends what the deal is with MR before they are free to release versions on their own account. It has had very positive reports so far, though I have not seen one.

The other 0-6-0T to avoid in Bachmann's range is the J72 - all split chassis, still to get upgraded - though that said this is the type of loco in which the split chassis works best. Relatively light, and typically used at low speed = slow wear out. More work for a decoder fit: metal has to be sawn away to make space for a concealed decoder installation, it is literally packed solid with metal inside.

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Re: Bachmann 0-6-0 tanks

Postby muggins » Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:30 pm

Thank you one and all. I do believe I now know what to look for but more importantly what to avoid :)

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Re: Bachmann 0-6-0 tanks

Postby Mike Parkes » Mon Nov 28, 2016 6:44 pm

The split chassis 57xx's have catalogue numbers being 31-90x. The non split chassis 57xx's are 32-21x while the 8750 versions are 32-20x. The 57xx's and 8750's produced since 2007 have dcc sockets; those without dcc sockets are
GW Green 32-210 5786, 32-200 9643, 32-200A 6752, 32-200B 3715, 32-204 4612 (also 3705 which was in a 2005 train set).
BR black 32-211 7739, 32-212 5757, 32-201 8673, 32-202 4672, 32-202A 9735, 32-202B 9753, 32-203 4666, 32-205 9736.

A retooled J72 has previously been announced by Bachmann but in a long queue of models yet to be made.

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Re: Bachmann 0-6-0 tanks

Postby muggins » Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:00 am

Gosh Mike, thanks for that!

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Re: Bachmann 0-6-0 tanks

Postby Bigmet » Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:19 am

Has the link to the Bachmann 'past products' PDF been waved at you before? It lags behind the most recent releases, but is a useful summary of what has been produced by catalogue number. What it doesn't discriminate in locos is the earlier split chassis and 'not DCC Ready' mechanisms, but they do observe the discipline that a sequence of models: say the 'class 99', with numbers 33-350 to 33-366 inclusive, will all be of the same mechanism type, so if you know one, you know them all. (More cautiously; they have observed this discipline up to present, to the best of my knowledge)

http://www.bachmann.co.uk/past_and_present.php

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Re: Bachmann 0-6-0 tanks

Postby GWR_fan » Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:06 am

This may also be of assistance (has not been updated for a while though).

http://www.bachmann.co.uk/service/dcc2.php


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