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Bachmann replacement wagon wheels

Postby Ex-Pat » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:00 pm

I have a lot of Mainline Palitoy wagons all with plastic wheels, and want to replace them with metal wheels.

I find that wheels from a modern Bachmann Conflat wagon will run an absolute treat when put into the older wagons.

The only spoked Bachmann wheels I can see are these:

http://www.ehattons.com/6990/Bachmann_B ... etail.aspx

However because of my bad experience with a split axle Bachmann V2 rear pony truck wheelset I am rather wary as to the likely “trueness” of these wheels.

Has anyone used them for replacing plastic wheels, and if so with what results?

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Re: Bachmann replacement wagon wheels

Postby Brossard » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:18 pm

Ex-Pat your concerns are well founded. Those wheels are not the best that Bachmann do, in fact they are from an early generation of wagons. What you need is something like this:

http://www.ehattons.com/stocklist/10003 ... dlist.aspx

Also this:

http://www.ehattons.com/stocklist/10003 ... dlist.aspx (odd way of photographing the product).

These wheels are really quite good and have the standard 26mm pinpoint. They should drop into older wagons. Lima wagons, IIRC, were closer to H0 so the axlebox spacing is closer and 26mm won't easily fit.

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Re: Bachmann replacement wagon wheels

Postby Ex-Pat » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:53 pm

Brossard wrote: What you need is something like this:

http://www.ehattons.com/stocklist/10003 ... dlist.aspx

Also this:

http://www.ehattons.com/stocklist/10003 ... dlist.aspx (odd way of photographing the product).


John


Thanks John - I obviously didn't research fully enough - my excuse is that I went from Hattons' Newsletter, and which didn't show the spoked wheel pre-order item. I now know what to look out for.

Yes, interesting Hornby photos!

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Re: Bachmann replacement wagon wheels

Postby Bigmet » Fri Nov 01, 2013 5:02 pm

Surprised that any split axle wagon wheelsets are still available. They do have a tendency to need trueing up, and some may never quite make it, but should near frictionless pick up ever be required these are useful as they can be used in wired up brass pinpoint bearings. Good if you want a Brake van lit, or a modern vehicle with a working tail light for example, or a runner wagon to go with a small shunter to give it more pick up wheels.

Bachmann still use split axle sets - very true running - on their newer DMU designs and their lit Pullman cars to very good effect. I have recycled old split chassis loco carrying wheels into newer product to get more pick up too; some running with new insulators made from biro ink tubes and the like.

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Re: Bachmann replacement wagon wheels

Postby Pennine MC » Fri Nov 01, 2013 5:07 pm

Brossard wrote:Ex-Pat your concerns are well founded. Those wheels are not the best that Bachmann do, in fact they are from an early generation of wagons.


Not sure they are John, though TBH I cant see those Hattons pics very clearly. I have 3-hole disc, spoke and split spoke, either in wagons or in my 'wheel tin', and they're all relatively recent production on full metal axles. I do have a policy though of changing that old pattern where the wheels were mounted each end of a plastic centre (and which again come in the full range of types).

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Re: Bachmann replacement wagon wheels

Postby Brossard » Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:43 pm

Ian, I think you and I are in agreement (not violent I hope). The latest Bachmann and Hornby wheels, as I said, are really quite good and hold their own with more expensive wheels IMO. (I wouldn't be surprised if they were good enough for EM - must do some measuring.) I remember the split axle wheels from years ago, these have their uses as Bigmet points out but I wouldn't normally use them.

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Re: Bachmann replacement wagon wheels

Postby Pennine MC » Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:56 pm

John - yes, I think we're at slightly crossed purposes, looking back at the OP. BTW the Bachy wagon wheels are generally OK moved out for EM as long as the vehicle structure allows sufficient clearance for the treads, which are wider than 'true' scale wheels like Gibsons.

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Re: Bachmann replacement wagon wheels

Postby Ex-Pat » Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:31 pm

Bigmet wrote:Surprised that any split axle wagon wheelsets are still available.


Contain your surprise Bigmet! Having researched further I am rather embarrassed to see from the Bachmann site (http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?pro ... ine&prod=8 ) that they really are split-spoke as opposed to split-axle (enlarge the view of 36-028). They look more like rally wheels than wagon wheels - never knew before that such wheels existed!

Edit: Apparently used in the Victorian/Pre-Grouping era and on Private Owner wagons.

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Re: Bachmann replacement wagon wheels

Postby Bigmet » Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:31 am

It was rather a surprise when Bachmann produced split spoke wagon wheels, previously they had been the province exclusively of kit component specialists like Gibson and before them MGW. Do not however think they are exclusive solely to the distant past. They lurked on in traffic pretty much as long as grouping era construction freight stock lasted. Among unexpected locations I have seen them under the 'Blue Spot' fish vans; an LNER design constructed under BR.

There's more; split 10 spoke types too, and some pre-group Scottish wagons with the 'coach diameter' 3'6" wheelsets made it into BR ownership, even Mansell wooden centres could be found, often in service vehicles. Then there's all the smaller than standard wagon wheels for specialised freight vehicles. Wonderful fun for 'something different'.

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Re: Bachmann replacement wagon wheels

Postby 6C » Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:12 pm

Ex-Pat wrote:
Bigmet wrote:Surprised that any split axle wagon wheelsets are still available.


Contain your surprise Bigmet! Having researched further I am rather embarrassed to see from the Bachmann site (http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?pro ... ine&prod=8 ) that they really are split-spoke as opposed to split-axle (enlarge the view of 36-028). They look more like rally wheels than wagon wheels - never knew before that such wheels existed!

Edit: Apparently used in the Victorian/Pre-Grouping era and on Private Owner wagons.


Famously used on the M.O.T slope-sided predecessor/progenitor to the 16T mineral wagon.
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