Bachmann LBSCR H2 Atlantic release

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Bachmann LBSCR H2 Atlantic release

Postby kiwitram » Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:34 pm

Hello everyone,

I was perusing Ehattons as usual, just browsing, and I found this:

http://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklist/Site ... ield=4-4-2

Looks like our lovely friends over at Bachmann are releasing an LBSCR 4-4-2 H2 locomotive. Shame that Hattons have only got the preorder in SR green or BR black, I'd like an umber one... Never mind. Still a very attractive locomotive. Makes you wonder if they're doing what Billington did circa 1911, basing it on the GNR Atlantic. It would make sense, after all, the two share very similar boilers- IIRC the only difference was the wheel diameter.

That could possibly be why DJH have got their Atlantic kits on sale at the moment- £116 for the metal parts alone, for the H1.

Anyway, I hope you're all as excited as I am!

Edit: Alex, everyone else knew for a couple of years prior... Muppet.
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Re: Bachmann LBSCR B2 Atlantic release

Postby Mike Parkes » Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:19 pm

Its was announced as being a future release on 31 Aug 2013
https://grahammuz.com/2013/09/01/bachma ... formation/

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Re: Bachmann LBSCR B2 Atlantic release

Postby Bigmet » Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:30 am

The good news would be that since the mechanism is likely to be exactly the same layout as developed for the NRM Ivatt Atlantic production - no need to reinvent that wheel since they will have it in CAD - it should run and pull extremely well. Really very good for an Atlantic type, which are not easy to make balanced in model form, and with the added difficulty of so many wheels to cram in. (All other UK atlantic designs are therefore capable of being produced as good running models, as the GNR layout is the most challenging by some distance.)

kiwitram wrote:...Makes you wonder if they're doing what Billington did circa 1911, basing it on the GNR Atlantic. It would make sense, after all, the two share very similar boilers- IIRC the only difference was the wheel diameter...

It will be an all new tooling whatever, as that's the way the production units work now: completely dedicated tooling sets for any given model, other than stock mechanism components like motors, axles, gears. There's so many detail differences, but about the only one that is unlikely to be different on the model is the driven wheel diameter; nominally quoted as a half inch smaller on the LBSC Atlantic.

To make the Ivatt Atlantic model work, Bachmann made the driving wheels in their maximum wear condition, so that they will fit at correct wheelbase. On the real locos, the flanges of the coupled wheels in new condition clear each other by 'not very much at all'; the overscale flanges of OO wheels would be overlapping if the nominal tyre diameter was used. This compromise is very successful, as the loco's proportions then do not have to be disturbed by an overscale driven wheelbase; and the OO flanges clear each other by 'not very much at all'. It's a very pleasing model indeed, and I should hope the LBSC one will be equally satisfying.

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Re: Bachmann LBSCR H2 Atlantic release

Postby Bigmet » Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:41 am

So, any love for the old LBSCR here, now this model is available?

The first releases look lovely, and they should pull as well as their GNR cousin which is very impressive for an atlantic, a real favorite for 'specials' on my set up.

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Re: Bachmann LBSCR B2 Atlantic release

Postby Richard Lee » Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:59 am

The biggest problem with modelling the LB&SCR is carriages, in my opinion. If you are happy making etched brass kits, then there are some available. However, if you haven't got the necessary skills, you are a bit limited. I don't see the Brighton Atlantics pulling 4 wheeled coaches, as in adapted Smallbrook Studio Stroudley 4 wheeled coaches, or from the Bachmann USA Thomas the Tank Engine range. I think the old dodge of making certain Ratio Midland Suburban coaches up to look as if the are LB&SCR Arc-Roofed stock will only get you so far. Oh, and it might be worth checking the current availability of LB&SCR transfers.

Other than that, I think that the LB&SCR liveries were very attractive. Wasn't the Pullman livery based upon the later LB&SCR coach livery, the one that would be appropriate for trains pulled by the Atlantics?

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Re: Bachmann LBSCR B2 Atlantic release

Postby Alexander Court » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:03 am

I love the LBSCR, and even though i changed down to N I still have an E2, Stepney from the TTTE range and terrier No.79 'Minories'. The lack of RTR LBSCR stock is more apparent in N, I have a SE&CR terrier on preorder (I want the lbsc and lswr ones too) but aside from that I don't think there is anything else. There is an E2 kit available from Langley(?) Still I think and if you've deep pockets and have the skills and tools there are probably 3D printed things on shapeways.

I think I prefer the brighter livery (see Dapol's Thames) to the duller Hornby one, Marsh umber is very nice too though.

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Re: Bachmann LBSCR H2 Atlantic release

Postby Bigmet » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:25 am

Richard Lee wrote:The biggest problem with modelling the LB&SCR is carriages, in my opinion... the Pullman livery based upon the later LB&SCR coach livery, the one that would be appropriate for trains pulled by the Atlantics?

That's the 'out' I have employed for a train authentic for my LNER liveried C1 atlantic. On both the LNER and LBSCR these closely related designs hauled Pullman car trains. For the LNER in the late twenties and early thirties, the 1928 all steel Queen of Scots K cars are perfect. For the LBSCR route on into Southern railway operation, something from Hornby's generous provision of Pullman cars might suit? (It's a real irony that these among the rarest of UK coaches actually have the best coverage of any general coach type in model form (6 wheel bogie; K types in matchboard, all steel, aluminium over plated forms, Electric Belle, mk1 Met-Camm, Midland Pullman, seven different types).

It's going to be a long wait for RTR pre-group coaches in any quantity and variety, so kit or scratch building are likely to get anyone wanting them to their goal rather faster

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Re: Bachmann LBSCR H2 Atlantic release

Postby 6C » Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:23 pm

GNR C1 Atlantic - also being brought back by Bachmann..
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Re: Bachmann LBSCR H2 Atlantic release

Postby D605Eagle » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:54 pm

Considering how many locos have been released in LBSC livery in the last 35 odd years it's surprising that no coaches have ever been produced.


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