Converting 009 to OO

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Converting 009 to OO

Postby End2end » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:35 pm

Forgive my ignorance in other scales but can 009 rolling stock be easily converted to OO track by just moving the wheels along on the axles?
It's just that I seen some nice 009 coaches and wonder how easily it can be done for running and clearences.
If it means more intrusive fettling I may just have to leave it well alone. :?
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Re: Converting 009 to OO

Postby alex3410 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:40 pm

the wheels in 009 are effectively N so you wont be able to move them along to get it to fit 00 track.

in fact i would think the 00 wheels may actually be wider then the 009 stock

edit: at least with my wagons in action here on N track

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Re: Converting a different gauge to OO

Postby End2end » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:07 pm

Ahh I see. So 009 is closer to N gauge?
Is there a gauge that is close to OO that can be converted easily but still with UK themed rolling stock?
As you can see this is a whole new realm to me. :lol:
Lovely smooth runner by the way Alex. :)
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Re: Converting 009 to OO

Postby Bufferstop » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:23 pm

The old TT3 system (3mm/ft on 12mm track) had bodies that were 3/4 the width of 00 ones but my memory says they were still too narrow.
What are you trying to replicate, they put narrow bodies (standard gauge) onto wider rails 5'3" in Ireland and get away with wider foot boards at the doors. but two footers are likely to be just too narrow.
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Re: Converting 009 to OO

Postby End2end » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:37 pm

It was those wonderful short Ffestiniog and the ilk coaches that sparked the idea as a possible coach alternative the the hornby short 4 wheel coaches.
As my layout is so small I made up a rake of 3 of the hornby ones yesterday with a short loco just to see what it looked like and the small coaches make it look in my eye to be a better than 1 long coach even though I will run 1 long coach and loco trains as well.
My knowledge is limited so It may not even be possible.
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Re: Converting 009 to OO

Postby alex3410 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:50 pm

i know what you mean, the 009 coaches from peco look really good - was tempted to do a complete 009 layout so i could use them but came to conclusion i had to much 00 stuff to switch now.

Ratio do a set of kits for small coaches which may be an option? they are longer then your 4 wheel ones but shorter then the long coaches so might be worth exploring?

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Re: Converting 009 to OO

Postby Bufferstop » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:51 pm

I couldn't resist
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Re: Converting 009 to OO

Postby End2end » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:18 pm

'elf n saftee' would have your guts for garters on that coach Bufferstop. :lol:
@Alex. Yes they look great although kits so I don't know if I could get them running properly. :lol: Perhaps I could fit 2 that length in a rake.
These ones look really nice and rtr.
https://shop.myonlinebooking.co.uk/fest ... =4&id=9444
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Re: Converting 009 to OO

Postby Emettman » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:50 pm

I'm going to suggest making a long OO coach into a pair of shorter ones.

The coaches to work from would be non-corridor suburban ones, which are perfectly compartmentalised

Such as this, on eBay for £7 at present
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A very careful razor saw cut would give a 4 compartment coach and a 2 + Brake coach.
I'd probable add just one extra bogie and make it a permanent articulated set.

Horby Dublo!
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And from here!
https://www.newrailwaymodellers.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=46202

Both of these used normal length carriages.

A rake of Hornby 4-wheelers can also be improved by losing the buffers and couplings (except at the outside ends) to produce a much more closely coupled rake with bar couplers.

A little more extreme: three Hornby 4-wheelers re-arranged to give an articulated railcar

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Including some windows transplanted for the driving trailer end.

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Re: Converting 009 to OO

Postby Emettman » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:53 pm

Bufferstop wrote:I couldn't resist
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Haven't heard, (may have missed)
Can I ask how delighted are you with the new Hornby 0-4-0?

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Re: Converting 009 to OO

Postby Bufferstop » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:02 pm

Hi Chris, the Hornby Peckett is absolutely great, it just begs one question, why the blue blistering blazes can't Hornby do everything so well?

E2E - these two were cut and shut jobs on an old Hornby coach on the underframes of two Hornby long wheelbase tankers, longer than the chassis use for the shorty coaches.They are now painted and more or less finished but in a box, somewhere.
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Re: Converting 009 to OO

Postby Bigmet » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:05 am

Bufferstop wrote:...the Hornby Peckett is absolutely great, it just begs one question, why the blue blistering blazes can't Hornby do everything so well?...

Hornby cannot win on that front. There's a large tranche of their customer base that think the basic 0-4-0 running gear under their Caley Tank, Holden 101, 'class D industrial', etc, is as good as is required, and should be available for as close to £20 as possible.

The range is a mixture of everything from antiquated junk to pretty sophisticated model, and the fact that Hornby keep on with such a mixture tells me there must be a market for all of it...

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Re: Converting 009 to OO

Postby b308 » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:13 am

End2end wrote:'elf n saftee' would have your guts for garters on that coach Bufferstop. :lol:


Unlikely, they still run them (though in 600mm gauge!) on a preserved line in Northern France!

The Peco coaches are models of the Lynton & Barnstable Railway coaches and are notoriously narrow even for narrow gauge! They would look rather silly with 16.5mm wheelsets. 2ft gauge stock is usually quiye narrow, however once you get up to 3ft or Metre gauge then things get bigger. One of the 3ft gauge lines in Northern Ireland run by the Midland Railway used their standard bogie coaches mounted on 3ft gauge bogies!

I can't think of anything offhand that could be converted from 009 to 16.5mm gauge without looking a little silly as Bufferstop's post proves (sorry!)...

You've got plenty of 9mm track, though, E2E, just lift that and use it on a new 009 layout! ;) :)

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Re: Converting 009 to OO

Postby glencairn » Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:32 am

If you want to run narrow gauge items on 00 track I think you would have to look at larger scale like 0n30 and the like. There's a challenge if ever there was. :D

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Re: Converting 009 to OO

Postby b308 » Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:58 am

glencairn wrote:If you want to run narrow gauge items on 00 track I think you would have to look at larger scale like 0n30 and the like. There's a challenge if ever there was. :D

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Strictly speaking all you OO scale modellers on here that use 16.5mm gauge track are already running narrow gauge so there's no need to dabble in other gauges... :D


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