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Postby sanctuary » Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:09 pm

It Arrived this afternoon, unfortunately I'm still waiting for the memory card to arrive :x

Now at which university do I enrol at to find out how to use it :lol:
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Postby sanctuary » Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:04 pm

I've spent the last 24 hrs trying to get my head around all the instructions, it now hurts and I'm only at the stage of finding out how to put them on the computer.

What pictures I have taken sat here at the computer are in a different league to the Sony cybershot digital I've been using since I retired the old Canon EOS 1000fn

I've packed it up, ready to be put in the attic so my Grand children can find it in years to come, then wonder how it all worked imagine having to go to the chemists to get the film developed and not knowing what the pictures looked like before you got them back :lol:

The ef lenses work well, but I'm going to have to get a wide angled lens, as the cropping affect due to the sensor unit being smaller than the area of 35 mm film means my 35-80mm zoom lens appears not to be as wide when the pictures are viewed.

So can you recommend a good wide angled zoom lens thats not expensive ?
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Postby Raider » Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:09 pm

Aiden,

I find getting the pics off my 350D as simple as plugging in the camera, opening up my computer and then going to the new icon at the bottom for the camera - no drivers needed for XP. Just drag and drop them from there.

I've been looking around for more lenses for my camera and have heard good things about some of the Sigma lenses.

Be interested in knowing which lens you finally go for.

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Postby sanctuary » Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:11 pm

I went into Bolton today and had a look at the camera shops, I liked This canon 28-200mm

And this Sigma 28-300mm

It just the price and the wife thats stopping me getting one Sigma price £189

Canon price £279

I think I'll go for the sigma as it's also Macro but I don't really understand enough about them to be sure it's the right one for me yet as I already have the 35-80mm and a 75-300mm.
So may be I should just get a sigma 17-35mm wide zoom but thats even more money at £319.99 which doesn't make sense to me why is it dearer ?

EDIT
Just had a look at the Reviews on amazon for the sigma 28-300mm and I think their lies the answer to my question it's not very good

2nd Edit reading the reviews on Amazon for the canon 17-85mm this might be the lens to plug my gap they all say it's excellent, just a pity about the price tag of £356 which is more than I paid for the camera :x
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Postby mortyfootball » Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:24 pm

The Sigma one which is more expensive may be due to the fact it has anti-shake or it could have a larger amount of f values.
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Postby guitardave_1 » Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:26 pm

One simple reason for the latter of the lenses costing more is that they are more difficult to manufacture. I don't profess to understand every last detail, but I do know that it's more difficult to produce a wide angle lens which doesn't suffer from distortion amongst other things. The Sigma 17-35 also has a faster maximum aperture - another feature which pushes the price up. Basically, some lenses cost more than others because they produce a better image. Better quality = more cash.

As soon as you go down the DSLR route it's almost inevitable that your lenses will cost more than the camera body itself. When you bear in mind that the highest end pro lenses can cost several thousand pounds, anything less than £500 that still delivers good results isn't actually so expensive!

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Postby superstat » Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:51 pm

hey, just found this thread. great news you have taken the plunge into dslr!

i'm currently using a 350D and think its fabulous! twinned the little baby up with a 17-85 canon and the whole kit is an absolute charm to use..although i am now considering a move into the realms of 2.8 aperture.....

just a quick note...i find the camera forums on the net a great help

www.dcmag.co.uk
www.talkphotography.co.uk

but nothing can beat going into a shop and chatting to the lads that use the gear and then playing!

Main thing is to experiment extensively with your current kit to ensure that you really need the next lens....with the 1.6 crop factor on a 35mm lens i think you will....

hey at least you can add it to your christmas list and pray!!

have fun!

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Postby sanctuary » Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:25 am

Thanks for the Advice I've been busy looking on the Camera Forums and review sites over the last few days, after reading the reviews HERE I've decided to go for the Sigma 18-50mm f/2.8 EX DC MACRO Lens. It fills the gap I have due to the cropping factor of the sensor against 35mm film to get my wide angle shots.
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Postby sanctuary » Sun Feb 03, 2008 7:59 pm

Well it’s been a few weeks now since I got the new body and lens and I still have to consult the manual for any thing other than a snap shot, so to day I spent some time with the camera and lenses on the layout.

I set the camera up on the tripod in order to compare the original 35-80mm lens with the new 18-50mm lens

First on the Camera was the 35-80mm lens set at focal length 35.0mm with these settings.

File Name New camera layout pictures_0011 web size.jpg
Camera Model Canon EOS 400D DIGITAL
Shooting Date/Time 03/02/2008 14:50:49
Shooting Mode Program AE
Tv( Shutter Speed ) 1/50
Av( Aperture Value ) 5.0
Metering Mode Evaluative Metering
Exposure Compensation 0
ISO Speed 1600
Lens EF35-80mm f/4-5.6
Focal Length 35.0 mm
Image Size 600x400
Image Quality Fine
Flash Off
White Balance Mode Auto
AF Mode One-Shot AF
Picture Style Standard
Sharpness 3
Contrast 0
Saturation 0
Color tone 0
Color Space sRGB
Noise Reduction Off
File Size 113 KB
Custom Function C.Fn:01-0
C.Fn:02-0
C.Fn:03-0
C.Fn:04-0
C.Fn:05-0
C.Fn:06-0
C.Fn:07-0
C.Fn:08-0
C.Fn:09-0
C.Fn:10-0
C.Fn:11-0
Drive Mode Single shooting

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Then I set it to Focal length 80 with these settings

File Name New camera layout pictures_0013 web size.jpg
Camera Model Canon EOS 400D DIGITAL
Shooting Date/Time 03/02/2008 14:52:01
Shooting Mode Program AE
Tv( Shutter Speed ) 1/30
Av( Aperture Value ) 5.6
Metering Mode Evaluative Metering
Exposure Compensation 0
ISO Speed 1600
Lens EF35-80mm f/4-5.6
Focal Length 80.0 mm
Image Size 600x400
Image Quality Fine
Flash Off
White Balance Mode Auto
AF Mode One-Shot AF
Picture Style Standard
Sharpness 3
Contrast 0
Saturation 0
Color tone 0
Color Space sRGB
Noise Reduction Off
File Size 106 KB
Custom Function C.Fn:01-0
C.Fn:02-0
C.Fn:03-0
C.Fn:04-0
C.Fn:05-0
C.Fn:06-0
C.Fn:07-0
C.Fn:08-0
C.Fn:09-0
C.Fn:10-0
C.Fn:11-0
Drive Mode Single shooting

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I then changed to the new 18-50mm lens at focal length 18.0mm at these settings


File Name New camera layout pictures_0010 web size.jpg
Camera Model Canon EOS 400D DIGITAL
Shooting Date/Time 03/02/2008 14:49:34
Shooting Mode Program AE
Tv( Shutter Speed ) 1/80
Av( Aperture Value ) 4.5
Metering Mode Evaluative Metering
Exposure Compensation 0
ISO Speed 1600
Lens 18.0 - 50.0 mm
Focal Length 18.0 mm
Image Size 600x400
Image Quality Fine
Flash Off
White Balance Mode Auto
AF Mode One-Shot AF
Picture Style Standard
Sharpness 3
Contrast 0
Saturation 0
Color tone 0
Color Space sRGB
Noise Reduction Off
File Size 121 KB
Custom Function C.Fn:01-0
C.Fn:02-0
C.Fn:03-0
C.Fn:04-0
C.Fn:05-0
C.Fn:06-0
C.Fn:07-0
C.Fn:08-0
C.Fn:09-0
C.Fn:10-0
C.Fn:11-0
Drive Mode Single shooting

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Then charged the focal length to 50.0mm at these settings

File Name New camera layout pictures_0015 web size.jpg
Camera Model Canon EOS 400D DIGITAL
Shooting Date/Time 03/02/2008 14:53:35
Shooting Mode Program AE
Tv( Shutter Speed ) 1/100
Av( Aperture Value ) 4.0
Metering Mode Evaluative Metering
Exposure Compensation 0
ISO Speed 1600
Lens 18.0 - 50.0 mm
Focal Length 50.0 mm
Image Size 600x400
Image Quality Fine
Flash Off
White Balance Mode Auto
AF Mode One-Shot AF
Picture Style Standard
Sharpness 3
Contrast 0
Saturation 0
Color tone 0
Color Space sRGB
Noise Reduction Off
File Size 106 KB
Custom Function C.Fn:01-0
C.Fn:02-0
C.Fn:03-0
C.Fn:04-0
C.Fn:05-0
C.Fn:06-0
C.Fn:07-0
C.Fn:08-0
C.Fn:09-0
C.Fn:10-0
C.Fn:11-0
Drive Mode Self-Timer Operation

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I’m happy with the results as the new lens more than covers the loss of field due to the cropping effect of the Digital sensor, giving me a good wide angle of field at 18 mm through to the start of the 35-80mm lens.

I next played around with the depth of field, now this is where I’m going to have to spend more time practising with the camera on the layout.

This first picture I focused on the foreground with these settings


File Name New camera layout pictures_0018 web size.jpg
Camera Model Canon EOS 400D DIGITAL
Shooting Date/Time 03/02/2008 14:55:47
Shooting Mode Program AE
Tv( Shutter Speed ) 1/13
Av( Aperture Value ) 2.8
Metering Mode Evaluative Metering
Exposure Compensation 0
ISO Speed 200
Lens 18.0 - 50.0 mm
Focal Length 50.0 mm
Image Size 600x400
Image Quality Fine
Flash Off
White Balance Mode Auto
AF Mode One-Shot AF
Picture Style Standard
Sharpness 3
Contrast 0
Saturation 0
Color tone 0
Color Space sRGB
Noise Reduction Off
File Size 113 KB
Custom Function C.Fn:01-0
C.Fn:02-0
C.Fn:03-0
C.Fn:04-0
C.Fn:05-0
C.Fn:06-0
C.Fn:07-0
C.Fn:08-0
C.Fn:09-0
C.Fn:10-0
C.Fn:11-0
Drive Mode Self-Timer Operation

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I then reset the focus to the mid field with these settings.


File Name New camera layout pictures_0019 web size.jpg
Camera Model Canon EOS 400D DIGITAL
Shooting Date/Time 03/02/2008 14:56:55
Shooting Mode Program AE
Tv( Shutter Speed ) 1/10
Av( Aperture Value ) 2.8
Metering Mode Evaluative Metering
Exposure Compensation 0
ISO Speed 200
Lens 18.0 - 50.0 mm
Focal Length 50.0 mm
Image Size 600x400
Image Quality Fine
Flash Off
White Balance Mode Auto
AF Mode One-Shot AF
Picture Style Standard
Sharpness 3
Contrast 0
Saturation 0
Color tone 0
Color Space sRGB
Noise Reduction Off
File Size 103 KB
Custom Function C.Fn:01-0
C.Fn:02-0
C.Fn:03-0
C.Fn:04-0
C.Fn:05-0
C.Fn:06-0
C.Fn:07-0
C.Fn:08-0
C.Fn:09-0
C.Fn:10-0
C.Fn:11-0
Drive Mode Self-Timer Operation


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So I’m looking for some one who knows about photography to give some simple advise on how to make the most out of the camera on the layout please please.
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Postby John Geeeee » Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:30 pm

Hi Aiden,

The simplest advice I have learned for my photos since taking up railway modelling is to set the camera to the smallest aperture (highest F value) by using the camera in Av mode. You will definitely need the tripod and good lighting. This will give you the greatest depth of field so that everything near and far will all be in sharp focus.
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Postby sanctuary » Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:31 pm

Thanks John.

I have been playing around with depth of Field, trying to get that real picture feel, trying to make the smallness of the model disappear if you get my drift.

In a real picture because of the distances involved you can create depth to the finished picture i.e. A landscape shot you can make the foreground blurred and the opposite with a portrait were the background is blurred.

Thats what I'm trying to do on the layout here's a not very good example, hence my request for advice.

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I got the front of the engine out of focus which is what I wanted but the woman on the bench is also out of focus I wanted her in focus and the signal man stood on the steps, as you can see I ended up with just the signal man in focus.

I'm hoping some one on the forum knows how to go about setting this up, so I don't have to do what I'm doing now. Which is taking a picture having a look alter the aperture take another shot take a look then alter the aperture take a shot repeatedly, there must be an easier way to work it out so I only have to take one shot.

Edit I forgot to mention from were the picture is taken I can't get to see through the view finder as the camera is sitting on the base board with a wall behind it.
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Postby Lofty » Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:54 am

Firstly, I don’t really know what I am doing, but like you I have suffered from a lack of ‘depth of field’

I have found from my own ‘trial and error’ experience that its easier to get depth if you take a long shot zoomed in, rather than go straight for a close up. I suspect as you talk about the camera on the back of the base board you have reached this conclusion.

I have tried with the various ‘manual’ settings but still cannot compete with the ‘automatic’ settings.

I suspect you have re-read Brian’s page - Find it here

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Postby sanctuary » Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:31 am

Thanks Lofty, I'd forgotten about that thread, I had also missed Brians last posting there to.

Now I've been playing about with the DSLR I understand a bit more, what he was explaining, how ever I'm still don't fully understand it, I'll just have to keep experimenting and buy the DSLR book for dummies
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Postby Lofty » Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:26 am

I have had a couple of books from the library, and read a few ‘on-line’ pages, but to be honest I am still struggling. I think one of my main problems was poor light in the loft; hopefully this will be improved dramatically when I get the garage up and running.

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