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Article - Hornby Live Steam

Postby saslord » Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:07 am

Thought it was time that the site had a section on Live Steam Modelling.

I can get most of the basics for Hornby Live steam from Hornby but are there any other live steam manufactures out there?

I also need so personnel experience with live steam. What’s it like? What are the problems with it?

Any and all help welcome.

Simon

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Postby Raider » Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:19 am

Always been tempted by Live Steam since Hornby released their's - the things putting me off it are the price and the perceived (by me at least) short running time.

Just had a quick google and in OO it looks as tho Hornby are the only option in RTR - there may be others, but they don't seem to be doing a great job of advertising themselves.

Are you limiting the article to OO? You can get Live Steam locos in the sit-on size (expensive and need a lot of room to run) but not sure about anything in between

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Postby saslord » Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:24 am

I am open to any model gauge but mainly want to focus on OO gauge

Larger gauges could be used in a Gardern Railway Page.

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Postby oswestry station » Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:39 am

i love steam, hell i get exited when the kettle boils :)


I will be getting the live steam set early next yea and would LOVE to help you with it then :)
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Re: Article - Hornby Live Steam

Postby TerryB » Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:41 am

saslord wrote:Thought it was time that the site had a section on Live Steam Modelling.

I also need so personnel experience with live steam. What’s it like? What are the problems with it?

Any and all help welcome.

Simon


I've had one for about 18months ............I'm quite happy with it,it's not as accurate as DC for stopping/starting/shunting etc ......in fact once set going its only use is as a tailchaser ......but I enjoy mine ......a steaming lasts 20 - 25 minutes,depending on how many coaches,use of regulator etc ...........the line,once used for Live Steam aint much use for owt else as oil gets everywhere [including all the rolling stock wheels] ........if you try running a normal DC loco on the line it'll need a good "wheelclean" afterwards [thats if it'll run at all due to oily deposits all over the track] ........forget trying to clean it with a trackcleaner coach .......the only way is a meths soaked pad [I actually use "Car Engine Degreaser" .......no kidding!]
It's not a toy .......It'd be all too easy for some daft kid to scald himself with it.
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Postby Dave777 » Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:45 am

It's that lack of controlability (is that a word?) that puts me off a bit (plus the fact I model in N gauge). If you could do shunting and stuff with it and have the same level of control as a DC loco I'd be tempted. I did find myself pondering on a circuit round the garden the other week though - summer's evening, a tall G&T, a live steam A4 winding it's way round the borders... sounds pretty good to me. The price is another factor of course :(

Most of the comments I've read on the interweb echo your views Terry. The deposits on the track seem to be the biggest bugbear for operators, but equally I've not seen any really negative comments ('I wish I hadn't bought it', etc). Most owners seem happy despite the limitations.

There was a good article in the 2005 BRM Annual about the development of it. I haven't read it for some time but I seem to recall the chappie had a working prototype for years and didn't fully appreciate the commercial possibilities.



Going off topic slightly, but I wonder how Hornby protect their investment? Unless there's some unique part of the loco that they've patented the concept of a steam engine must be difficult to protect in this way.
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Postby TerryB » Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:38 am

Dave777 wrote:.......... I did find myself pondering on a circuit round the garden the other week though - summer's evening, a tall G&T, a live steam A4 winding it's way round the borders... sounds pretty good to me.


Hi Dave ......if you take a look at Hornbys Live Steam Website it advises that "Live Steam should be used indoors only" [or words to that effect] ........although I'd pondered on building a line through the garden this last summer,and personally ........I cant see why it would'nt work providing the line is kept clean and dry. ........It would certainly beat my option of sitting in a hot stuffy loft with a pint of Murphy's Stout in my hand :roll: ...in fact ........tbh,I aint done much modelling at all this summer for that very reason ......still,winters just around the corner,and when the loft is cooler it seems to make the steam that bit more "prominent".
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Postby Dave777 » Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:51 am

Hmm, I wonder why they don't recommend using it outdoors?
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Postby Raider » Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:39 pm

I'm sure I read on a website somewhere that someone is using the live steam in the garden. If I can remember where I'll dig out the link

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Postby TerryB » Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:05 pm

I'd guess Hornby are merely "covering themselves" in case any-one tries Live Steam in the garden and finds that it dont work ......it does'nt take too much to operate the "trip out" on the regulator and I'd think the first sign of damp would lead to system cutting out frequently .....as I said before .....if the track is kept clean & dry I cant see why it would'nt work.
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Postby Atso » Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:32 am

Dave777 wrote:There was a good article in the 2005 BRM Annual about the development of it. I haven't read it for some time but I seem to recall the chappie had a working prototype for years and didn't fully appreciate the commercial possibilities.

Going off topic slightly, but I wonder how Hornby protect their investment? Unless there's some unique part of the loco that they've patented the concept of a steam engine must be difficult to protect in this way.


Dave, I believe, although I might be wrong as it has been awhile since I read the original article in BRM (2004 ish...), that the fellow who built the prototype holds a patented (due to the valve system used) and Hornby builds the locos under licence.
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