Summer Holiday Build

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Summer Holiday Build

Postby LongSufferingDad » Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:49 pm

I have started on a summer holiday project of building a small 1800mm x 1200mm layout for my 7 year old boy.

I thought I would start a mini blog here of my progress, techniques (mostly resulting from many years of war gaming), successes and inevitable failures.

We won’t be starting in earnest until next week, however, I have acquired a 2000mm x 750mm roll of natural jute which I have bleached from its natural dark brown into a varied brown straw mottled base. It’s been thoroughly rinsed and is now drying.

I will be dusting this with khaki and green camouflage rattle can paint from Halfords.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B0yNagCHdol/?igshid=ywhy7dnyrb7h

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Re: Summer Holiday Build

Postby LongSufferingDad » Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:27 pm

Back from our short holiday and the rain has finally stopped. My boy had fun with the rattle cans (although I was a little disappointed with the green paint) and we now have a base material to use on the rough grass areas.

The bleaching and drying has loosened up the fibres nicely, so when the jute is glued down the fibres can be teased up with a nail brush and trimmed as required with my old beard trimmer.

Also spent some time working out the lightest way to build the base as it will hang from a wall on hinges. I think I’ll get away with 9mm ply on a batten frame. I’m used to building war games boards that are laid onto tables, so weight has never been a major concern before.

Off to the timber yard tomorrow to get everything cut to order and delivered, so I should just be able to drill and screw it all together fairly quickly...famous last words...

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Re: Summer Holiday Build

Postby LongSufferingDad » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:46 pm

That’s the 6’x4’ base built. Leaving the glue to go off overnight and tomorrow we hang it from the wall! What could possibly go wrong? :o :?

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1Wduz2nzKQ/?igshid=jfha0wz7tn9r

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Re: Summer Holiday Build

Postby End2end » Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:09 pm

That looks a bit flexible. :? I'd add some cross beams for strength too.
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Re: Summer Holiday Build

Postby Bufferstop » Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:28 pm

I've never stuck to 2"x1" for a self supporting board, it's ok for permanent structures with some cross bracing but far to flexible for frequent handling. If you attach four inch deep sides of at least 6mm ply and join their ends at the corners with 1" square (or spare 2"x1" it will become far less flexible. You need to be able to lift it by a corner without significant bowing. The danger is to fixed down track which is likely to expensively pop out of its chairs if flexed. My test is probably overkill but you'll get the idea, I put four bags of sugar, (probably flour these days whoever has that much sugar around" in the centre of the board whilst it is lying flat, then lift it by one corner, it passes if you cant see the bend.
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Re: Summer Holiday Build

Postby LongSufferingDad » Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:57 pm

Thanks for the feedback. Now that it’s all in place, yes it’s going to need some bracing. Thankfully it will be a fairly strait forward retrofit as after tonight the boy will need to be back in his own bed :lol:

As you can see it will fold away quite tidily while still leaving enough clearance (2-18 inches)to get some buildings and trees etc onto the layout.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1YoJFWHYNN/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1Y621Vn-r0/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

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Re: Summer Holiday Build

Postby LongSufferingDad » Tue Aug 20, 2019 4:00 pm

Bufferstop wrote:I've never stuck to 2"x1" for a self supporting board, it's ok for permanent structures with some cross bracing but far to flexible for frequent handling. If you attach four inch deep sides of at least 6mm ply and join their ends at the corners with 1" square (or spare 2"x1" it will become far less flexible. You need to be able to lift it by a corner without significant bowing. The danger is to fixed down track which is likely to expensively pop out of its chairs if flexed. My test is probably overkill but you'll get the idea, I put four bags of sugar, (probably flour these days whoever has that much sugar around" in the centre of the board whilst it is lying flat, then lift it by one corner, it passes if you cant see the bend.


I’m having trouble visualising this, do you perchance have a diagram?

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Re: Summer Holiday Build

Postby LongSufferingDad » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:08 pm

Bracing done which has fixed the flexing issue.

Track ‘dry fitted’. I need to sort out that curve spacing...

The old adage about not looking a gift horse in the mouth? Seriously, check their teeth! Turns out the two pieces of R607 I had been given were one piece cut in half.

Back to the model shop at the weekend!

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Re: Summer Holiday Build

Postby Halsted » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:50 pm

Nice start. :D

NICE START.jpg


It looks like the Hornby Trakmat R771:

R771.jpg

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Re: Summer Holiday Build

Postby LongSufferingDad » Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:08 pm

Halsted wrote:Nice start. :D

NICE START.jpg

It looks like the Hornby Trakmat R771:

R771.jpg


That’s what it’s based on. I’m a total novice at this sort of thing, so I went with what should be a tried and tested setup. However....

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1eHh38n2VV/?igshid=

This points layout doesn’t make sense. The circled points are breaking the circuit to the inner tracks when closed. Do I need to jump power to the inner track too? Can I use these points as an isolator and have a separate power supply to the inner track and run trains in opposite directions perhaps?

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Re: Summer Holiday Build

Postby triuph1050 » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:00 pm

Go straight to Fig 11 and your sorted, or keep the whole article and you'll learn DC and DCC setup

https://www.hornby.com/us-en/media/wysi ... _Packs.pdf
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Re: Summer Holiday Build

Postby dursleydog » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:03 pm

LongSufferingDad wrote:
Halsted wrote:Nice start. :D

NICE START.jpg

It looks like the Hornby Trakmat R771:

R771.jpg


That’s what it’s based on. I’m a total novice at this sort of thing, so I went with what should be a tried and tested setup. However....

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1eHh38n2VV/?igshid=

This points layout doesn’t make sense. The circled points are breaking the circuit to the inner tracks when closed. Do I need to jump power to the inner track too? Can I use these points as an isolator and have a separate power supply to the inner track and run trains in opposite directions perhaps?


Assuming this is DC, yes you’ll need a power feed to both circular tracks. This will allow you to control 2 trains separately and running in opposite directions. If you put the feeds on the left hand curves you’ll be able to easily power the whole layout and use all the points as insulators.
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Re: Summer Holiday Build

Postby LongSufferingDad » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:19 pm

dursleydog wrote:
LongSufferingDad wrote:
Halsted wrote:Nice start. :D

NICE START.jpg

It looks like the Hornby Trakmat R771:

R771.jpg


That’s what it’s based on. I’m a total novice at this sort of thing, so I went with what should be a tried and tested setup. However....

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1eHh38n2VV/?igshid=

This points layout doesn’t make sense. The circled points are breaking the circuit to the inner tracks when closed. Do I need to jump power to the inner track too? Can I use these points as an isolator and have a separate power supply to the inner track and run trains in opposite directions perhaps?


Assuming this is DC, yes you’ll need a power feed to both circular tracks. This will allow you to control 2 trains separately and running in opposite directions. If you put the feeds on the left hand curves you’ll be able to easily power the whole layout and use all the points as insulators.


Got it! Just realised I should have got power link sets in the track expansion set. Not a major issue , I have a second controller, I just need another bit of power track.

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Re: Summer Holiday Build

Postby End2end » Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:53 pm

A Hornby power connecting clip will do rather than needing to add another piece of power track
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Re: Summer Holiday Build

Postby LongSufferingDad » Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:06 pm

End2end wrote:A Hornby power connecting clip will do rather than needing to add another piece of power track
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Thank you, I thought those were for the digital controllers.


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