Hawick via Grantham, Inverness and SIAM (00 gauge DC)

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Re: Hawick via Grantham, Inverness and SIAM (00 gauge DC)

Postby nickbrad » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:00 pm

I think in my case, starting out with wooden sleepered track would have been a good idea, rather than trying to disguise concrete sleepers as wood lol. Oh well, I am only building an inglenook on the cheap and time is something I have more of than money atm, recovering from a microdisectomy. If I get these two pieces of track wired in and finished off tomorrow, I may even take some pictures and update my build thread :)

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Re: Hawick the Dreaded Electrics

Postby Ex-Pat » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:09 pm

Although I’d resorted to my “normal” Activity Media DVD on electrics I found that it did not cover wiring Electrofrog points laid out in a ladder series. I was however lucky enough to find Graham Plowman’s (a Forum Member down Under) website on electrics, and he was most helpful in supplying a simple wiring diagram covering the basics – cheers Graham!

The layout is split into 4 distinct sections – Down Main, Up Main, Down Yard and Up Yard.

A Gaugemaster double controller with simulator controls the Down & Up Main lines, and another non-simulator Gaugemaster Model D double controller takes care of the Down
& Up Yards.

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The Up & Down Yards Controllers.
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The Up & Down Main Controllers
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(Pity I’ve only got one pair of hands!)

A “Cab Control” box (which also hides the CDU) enables me to switch any controller through to any section.

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The Cab Control Box.
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The Control Panels are track-coloured – Red is Down Main, Green is Up Main, Black is Down Yard and Dark Blue (it isn’t black, honest!) is Up Yard.

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Board one's Control Panel
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Board two's and nine's Control Panel.
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The red-capped switches are points, the blue-capped switches are for frog polarity (I decided not to use integral underboard switching), and the uncapped switches are for isolating sections and the turntable.

The panels are designed to be removeable in the event of any malfunction or modification.

The numbers are the point numbers.

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Re: Hawick via Grantham, Inverness and SIAM (00 gauge DC)

Postby manna » Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:44 am

G'day Gents

What times lift-off.......I'll still give it a big thumbs up :D

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Re: Hawick via Grantham, Inverness and SIAM (00 gauge DC)

Postby fourtytwo » Thu Dec 08, 2016 7:08 pm

Wowww very impressive, I like the baseboard construction method with the ply sandwich beams, impressive trackwork too!
Is there a reason its portable ? are you intending to exhibit it or do you move house often ? sorry if I missed that bit
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Re: Hawick via Grantham, Inverness and SIAM (00 gauge DC)

Postby Ex-Pat » Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:57 am

Thanks manna - still on the ground!

Thanks also fourtytwo - I don't move house often but do envisage a final move to a bungalow at some time (in fact Brexit persuades me to move up north rather sooner than later in view of the decreased exchange rate for Sterling!).

Certainly no intentions of exhibiting it - will it ever reach an exhibitable stage I wonder (doubt)? I've spent so long looking at photos etc. that I can see,feel, hear and smell the buildings and scenery etc. there - even though they're not yet there, and that hardly provides an incentive to plough ahead!

Might as well take this opportunity to show the Fiddle-Yard Control Panel. It covers 11 through tracks (5 Up, 5 Down and a bi-directional track 6). The bi-directional track requires the use of the 2 yellow-capped double pole/double throw switches. Each track is split into 2 sections, and there are additional multi-section loco sidings.

On the "to do some day" list is to fill in the holes left where I have rationalised switches (on all panels). (Aesthetic suggestions welcome please!)
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Re: Hawick via Grantham, Inverness and SIAM (00 gauge DC)

Postby VerdevaleRailway » Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:41 am

Having just caught up with your new construction, I must admire your patience and planning. Thanks for sharing an inspirational build.

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Re: Hawick via Grantham, Inverness and SIAM (00 gauge DC)

Postby fourtytwo » Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:51 pm

Ex-Pat wrote:(Aesthetic suggestions welcome please!)
Those little circles of plastic discarded when you cutoff the end of a tube of filler before putting on the nozzle and putting it in your gun!

My that's a mother of a control panel! hmmm I use traction routing by point position to try and reduce the number of section switches (sorry if that's related to sucking eggs), you know the DCC boys will make hay otherwise :) Usually a TPCO toggle suffices, one pole for the motor, one for the frog and third for traction routing and/or use a relay (remote) to add more contacts and reduce wiring to the panel.
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Re: Hawick via Grantham, Inverness and SIAM (00 gauge DC)

Postby Ex-Pat » Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:58 pm

fourtytwo wrote:
Ex-Pat wrote:(Aesthetic suggestions welcome please!)
Those little circles of plastic discarded when you cutoff the end of a tube of filler before putting on the nozzle and putting it in your gun!

My that's a mother of a control panel! hmmm I use traction routing by point position to try and reduce the number of section switches (sorry if that's related to sucking eggs), you know the DCC boys will make hay otherwise :) Usually a TPCO toggle suffices, one pole for the motor, one for the frog and third for traction routing and/or use a relay (remote) to add more contacts and reduce wiring to the panel.


Thanks fourtytwo - now you tell me! I wasn't aware that you can get TPCO toggle switches, and I'd so often wished that I could use just one switch to change both the point and the frog polarity! Unfortunately rather too late to change now, and besides, I wouldn't be able to afford all those tubes of filler that would be needed to fill the holes in the manner you suggest!


Thanks also V.R. for your kind comment.

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Re: Hawick via Grantham, Inverness and SIAM (00 gauge DC)

Postby fourtytwo » Sat Dec 10, 2016 3:27 pm

Ex-Pat wrote:Thanks fourtytwo - now you tell me! I wasn't aware that you can get TPCO toggle switches, and I'd so often wished that I could use just one switch to change both the point and the frog polarity! Unfortunately rather too late to change now, and besides, I wouldn't be able to afford all those tubes of filler that would be needed to fill the holes in the manner you suggest.

I found them here for you http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Miniature-Panel-Mount-Toggle-Switches-High-Quality-Industrial-Commercial-Aero-/111696440756?var=&hash=item1a01a06db4:m:mdgw_yUrTSz7kJqdCDuAwPg and I am sure you can get them cheaper! Maybe the next panel :) As for the white disks :lol:
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Re: Hawick via Grantham, Inverness and SIAM (00 gauge DC)

Postby Ex-Pat » Mon Jan 02, 2017 8:27 pm

Turntable surround work in progress.

Since building and installing the turntable, apart from a faint white coat to the well walls, I haven’t got round to painting it yet until I have finished the surround work.

I am aiming to replicate this:

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I don’t know the technical term for that foot-rung circle (similar to those short sections found at canal lock gates), but firstly scribed a circle using a scalpel inserted through a new hole drilled into the gauge supplied with the kit

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and removed the closed cell foam.

This was replaced by cereal packet cardboard scribed to the same radii.

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This shows one side loosely trial-fitted and the other side ready to be cut out.

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PVA now applied to one side

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Re: Hawick via Grantham, Inverness and SIAM (00 gauge DC)

Postby Ex-Pat » Mon Jan 02, 2017 8:34 pm

Only after seeing the finished article

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did I realize that the circle wasn’t wide enough and therefore added another radius – it didn’t matter about the small gap as it would be covered by the foot rung boards.

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Construction of the foot rung/boards started, using plastikard. I decided to form a circle from straight plastikard by taking out a sliver at each end of the 30 individual segments and almost severing them from each other (in order to aid bending). Five foot rungs to each segment required 150 rungs to be cut – many of which can be seen here

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The rungs were then glued to the boards

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All ready for installation

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Re: Hawick via Grantham, Inverness and SIAM (00 gauge DC)

Postby Ex-Pat » Mon Jan 02, 2017 8:40 pm

After gluing in place

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the gaps between each segment were filled with Milliput

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I had originally thought of using card for the large bevelled top flagstones that capped the well walls but then decided to try DAS modelling clay instead. Never having used it before I opened a pack that I’d bought at Warley 2015, and only then realized that it comes in terracotta as well as white.

These 2 fingers show how mucky it can be!

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The change of strategy meant that I now had to gouge out a channel in the previously lovingly prepared cardboard “path base”

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A first test piece of DAS was applied before Christmas and left to dry.

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Re: Hawick via Grantham, Inverness and SIAM (00 gauge DC)

Postby Ex-Pat » Mon Jan 02, 2017 8:50 pm

The main lesson learnt was that I hadn’t been brutal enough when pressing it up against its cardboard surround – luckily however they are not gaps that can’t be easily remedied.

Being relatively satisfied with the start, I set to it and completed the rest of the circle. After pressing the DAS more firmly into place this time

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I gave it an initial trim

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and have now left it to dry

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(although I might try a bit of further trimming in a day or two’s time).

I now look forward to much filing and scribing when all is completely dry in a few weeks’ time.

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Re: Hawick via Grantham, Inverness and SIAM (00 gauge DC)

Postby manna » Mon Jan 02, 2017 9:10 pm

G'day Gents

That's an awful lot of work for a turntable, how did you fit in Christmas and the New Year. turned out well though.


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Re: Hawick via Grantham, Inverness and SIAM (00 gauge DC)

Postby carnehan » Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:44 pm

It's little wonder we all have to wait so long between posts, the amount of work you inject in to each section of the layout is just so time consuming. Of course, that has its advantages in producing exemplary work such as yours.

Paul


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