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Re: St. Blazey's - My first layout - Stage 3 Building

Postby End2end » Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:33 pm

Just a quick bump to see if anyone can help with the above?

As well as a couple of photos of where I am up to on the Kibri 8330 cottage kit.
The roof's are not fixed, just sat in position for the photo's.

2 front views
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2 rear views
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They still need a tidy up here and there paint wise, chimney's and drain pipes added, base decorated somehow and an internal, removable "rooms" compartment made that will also hold the lighting and internal furniture.
I'm thinking this cottage is definitely a candidate for one of my flickering fireplace circuits too. :D
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Re: St. Blazey's - My first layout - Stage 3 Building

Postby BrightonMan » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:31 pm

That cottage looks great. It has a British feel to it even though I assume it's based on a European style.

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Postby End2end » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:55 pm

Most defiantly BrightonMan. It's HO but where I plan to site it in the far corner of the layout I think I'll get away with it.

After much deliberation I won't be installing a flickering fire circuit as on this kit the chimneys just don't line up coherently to the rooms below although it will have other internal lighting and details.
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Re: St. Blazey's - My first layout - Stage 3 Building

Postby End2end » Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:15 pm

Well that took ages and it's not even painted yet. So still a little way to go.
Turned (?) staircase with balustrades made from Balsa and florist's wire for my cottage kit at an angle of 50 degrees rise.

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A straight flight of stairs just didn't seem right for this kit, although you probably won't even be able see it through the windows / doors.
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Postby End2end » Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:47 pm

I finished the internal compartment fittings and have constructed the ceiling part which will hold all of the lighting.
They are not glued together yet. I need to hold them in position whilst I drill through the ceiling part for the hole for the wiring to disappear down into, tidy up the hole, then glue down the wiring and glue both parts together.
Finally here some pictures.
From above. Everything is made from balsa, florists wire and card atop the sofa, chairs and coffee table to bring them up to height.
The dining table at the rear is made from balsa and 2 unused staples for legs.
The kitchen and sink are made from balsa. By depressing a small screwdriver into the balsa I managed to make an impressed sink which I painted with a silver pen.
Green runner carpet cut out of an argos catalogue
Grey rug and Bookcase from the great Wordsworth range. Thanks again Mike. ;)
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A low down view of the front
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And the rear. The white upright channel will hide the wiring. The carpet is actually a printed out sheet of DMU seating!
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And lastly the ceiling part. Painted white to help the lighting bounce around. LED's glued into their positions to line up with the rooms.
Lampshades are small grommets cut in half.
Internal4sm.jpg

And the upper 'face' of the ceiling part painted black to stop light leakage but with the hole as yet uncut, for the wiring to pass down through.
Internal5sm.jpg


I still want to dry brush a bit more white onto the outer building as I have had somewhat dirty fingers when I've picked it up recently plus gluing the drain pipes and other external parts on needs to be done but I'm well passed the hardest parts of this kit. :)
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Re: St. Blazey's - My first layout - Stage 3 Building

Postby Bufferstop » Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:48 pm

If you were to substitute a pantile roof for the thatch, your cottage would be in exactly the same style as used for the original stations on The Lynton and Barnstable railway. They were in a German regional style popularised by Prince Albert. I think they are all still standing, Woody Bay being the only one currently in use by the railway, and little changed from its original appearance. You can see the one at Lynton but it has had several extensions which have hidden its true shape. I agree about the scale, if you site it away from other buildings and only put H0 figures next to it you can claim to be modelling it in 3D perspective :wink:
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Re: St. Blazey's - My first layout - Stage 3 Building

Postby End2end » Tue Mar 23, 2021 3:07 pm

Well I never!.
I'll have to have a look at those Bufferstop. :)

The roof is far too elaborate for me to make a pantile roof with all it's different shapes and it was really a thatched roof building I was after for the layout but who would have imagined such a building as a station?
Cottage style that it is. As they say, there's a prototype for everything. :D

With 4 people inside, the plan was not to have anyone standing outside nor vehicle outside the garage, again to give the illusion of 'further away than the rest'.
I may lean a bicycle up against the wall if I can find something suitable. :idea:

Once I've finished the main kit I need to turn my attention to the base it came with. I've sprayed it grey already but it has different moulded features like paths, patio and grassy areas which will all need scenic treatment.
The kit has been so complicated to build due to the rubbish 2 page instructions that I haven't thought that far ahead as of yet.
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Re: St. Blazey's - My first layout - Stage 3 Building

Postby End2end » Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:37 pm

Some final pictures of the cottage kit build.
This the lighting wiring hot glued down (all has now been painted over with black - not shown)
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With all the lights on. The base is not sitting exactly flat in the picture so you can see some light leakage from the bottom of the building as the 2 pieces of wood I used to sit it on are slightly different heights
Front view
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Side view
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Rear view
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Re: St. Blazey's - My first layout - Stage 3 Building

Postby PinkNosedPenguin » Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:57 pm

E2E, the interiors look excellent :D - I hope you can see them through the windows 'in the flesh' :wink:

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Postby End2end » Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:02 pm

Thanks and most definitely PNP. If you look at the front view you can see people sitting in the front room. :)
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Re: St. Blazey's - My first layout - Stage 3 Building

Postby PinkNosedPenguin » Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:22 pm

Yes I meant I expect you can see inside more clearly than in the photos, which have glare from the lights :D.

P.S. I have replied, so I can have the honour of the 1000'th post in this thread 8)

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Postby End2end » Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:02 pm

PinkNosedPenguin wrote:P.S. I have replied, so I can have the honour of the 1000'th post in this thread 8)

Indeed you can PNP. :mrgreen:
Have I done so much and asked so many questions? :shock:
Like a heritage line, it's a long pleasurable journey even if I do stop at every halt, branch line, and termini. (I model slowly) :lol:

As we are at 1000 posts, I do have to take a moment to mention words of thanks to all who have helped me get this far, so far.

So .... Thank you very much everyone. I honestly don't think I could have achieved so much without you all, and if anyone see's something I've done and would like to copy any of it please do feel free. :D


Back to the cottage, yes PNP you can see more clearly in the flesh. Unfortunately my cameras not very good in low light.
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Re: St. Blazey's - My first layout - Stage 3 Building

Postby End2end » Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:23 pm

Today I finished adding the final 2 Gaugemaster PM20 surface mount point motors and I have been chasing back and securing wiring under the layout to tidy it all up before I add more wiring for the point motors and LED panel indicators.

I think I have the wiring correct now to only use 1 wire back to the control panel from a Seep PM1 for 2 (and sometimes 4) indicator LED's.

Unless I use a relay (see below) I cannot directly light LED's on the control panel using the PM20 point motors due to them only having 3 wires.
So where a pair of points consist of a surface mount point motor AND a Seep PM1, I will try to use the PM1 to light all 4 control panel indicator LED's.

Where a pair of points BOTH have PM1's I will use them both for panel indication. 2 LED's per PM1.

The White wire from point F will run from the point motor back to the panel where it will split into either 2 for one point indication or 4 for a twin pair of points.

Here's the diagram using my own colour scheme showing 4 indicator LED's for a dual set of points controlled from a single PM1.
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I will still need to buy 5 relays for single points with PM20's on dead end sidings but I'm hoping the above means I don't need to buy 7.
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Re: St. Blazey's - My first layout - Stage 3 Building

Postby End2end » Thu May 06, 2021 5:18 pm

Wiring, wiring and more wiring is all I have been doing lately.
I did have some fun twisting looms of three 10 metre wires together with a drill, secured in the kitchen with a clamp and stretched right out of the front door and halfway down the path! :shock: :lol:

Now all point motors on the rear of the layout are connected to the common return and most of the PM1's are connected to the 12v bus for the control panel LED indicators.

I now need to work out how all the wires feeding back, will connect to the (as yet non-existent) control panel.
For each PM1 there are 3 wires going back to the control panel, 2 for the switch and 1 for the panel indicators.
One thing I'm not sure of is, on a pair of points can I use 1 point motor to run all 4 panel indicator LED's (2 lit at a time) or is it best to use both point motors with 2 LEDs (1 lit at a time)?
Would this cause problems like over/underpowering something by using 1 point motor?
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