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Re: St. Blazey's - My first layout - Stage 3 Building

Postby TimberSurf » Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:47 pm

End2end wrote:I have added 5 25V 220Uf 6mm x 12mm electrolytic capacitors for the stay alive part of the circuit so maybe that will negate the need for 4 live axles?
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Absolutely! Other than sitting still on a dirty rail, you should have no problems. Just like stay alive for loco's, short breaks of no power over points and dirt will not even be noticed.
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Postby End2end » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:03 pm

Excellent. That means I can use less pick up springs and add lighting to more coaches. :D
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Postby End2end » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:35 am

I have an idea for my hidden sidings but not sure how to go about it.
I will be using SEEP PM1's on the points in the rear hidden sidings and I am thinking of using electrofrog points to make the sidings more reliable.
Can a SEEP point motor power both the frog AND a green or red LED on the control panel at the same time showing which way the point is thrown?
And can anyone tell me what the part numbers are for the Peco electrofrog points I need please?

Here's the original rough plan for the hidden sidings using all Peco setrack and insulfrog points except for the 2 crossovers which are Hornby.
If there is room on the rear baseboard there may even be space for more sidings. :)
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Also, I don't know if this is possible due to having to use the Hornby crossovers but I have Peco setrack curves at each end of the layout giving me 2 long setrack loops in 2nd and 3rd radius.
If I was to use electrofrog points in the rear hidden sidings with the closer non-setrack track spacing (I'm not sure of the correct term/name) how would I go about easily connecting the setrack curves to the narrower track spacing of the hidden sidings with the electrofrog points?
Would a small setrack straight installed half way round the 2nd radius 180 degree bend make the 2nd radius curve long enough to then come closer together with the 3rd radius to fit the narrower track spacing once it hits the striaght track?.
Is there a Peco setrack straight part number that can do this and are there crossovers available from Peco that can cross tracks at the narrower non-setrack spacing?
I was going to do a mock up of the loops in Scarm but not knowing the correct part numbers for the correct electrofrog points I'm lost.
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Re: St. Blazey's - My first layout - Stage 3 Building

Postby heda » Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:38 am

Regarding the SEEP motor powering both the frog and signals the answer is yes, I'm running dcc and have connected up light signals directly to the electrofrog points. There is an excellent diagram on Brian Lamberts (Flashbang) website, but I can't find it at the moment. I'll have another look and post the link when I find it.

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Postby heda » Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:42 am

Got it now, scroll down the page almost to the bottom, it is very straightforward and it does work.

http://www.brian-lambert.co.uk/DCC2.html

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Postby End2end » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:38 am

Thanks for the info Dave. :)
I knew I could power the mimic panel LED's from the track/DCC supply but is it possible to run the mimic panel LED's from the SEEP if one of the solder pads is already used up by being connected to the electrofrog switching wire?

The reason being, as I only have the Bachmann starter DCC controller I was trying to keep as much of the DCC power for running trains as I am already syphoning off some of the DCC power for train lighting that I have installed.
Adding all the LED's (2 per point) I want for the mimic panel, I'd rather not use up the DCC current available and thus run out of power to run trains. :?
I don't have a DCC booster so think I only have around 1amp to play with and thus the reason to run the mimic panel LED's from a seperate power supply.
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Re: St. Blazey's - My first layout - Stage 3 Building

Postby heda » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:04 pm

Hi E2E
Probably best to ask on the electronics forum, but I'm pretty sure it will be OK. When you connect the track to the seep terminals to power the frog the same connections are used to connect the led's. It's difficult to explain, especially as I'm a novice with electrics, the diagram on Brian lamberts explains it much better.. I played with a couple of loose led's before wiring the light signals to get a better understanding. Regarding the 1 amp power it shouldn't be a problem regarding led's as they use minimal power, but again probably worth checking with our experts on the electronics thread.

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Postby End2end » Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:05 am

heda wrote:I played with a couple of loose led's before wiring the light signals to get a better understanding. Dave

Hold the phone!!
I am yet to even start thinking about actual signalling on the layout but by your description I can just wire my physical signals to the points and they will light according to which way the point is thrown?
I don't mean my mimic panel LED's but the actual signalling on the layout.
Does this sound correct?

I always wondered how this could be done easily and work properly thinking the signals would have to be joined to some sort of wiring mess. :?
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Re: St. Blazey's - My first layout - Stage 3 Building

Postby heda » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:23 pm

Hi E2E
The short answer is yes, but as I said I'm no electrics expert so hard for me to explain, I'l do my best. When you buy two colour light signals they will have 3 wires, 2 with resistors and one without. The wires with resistors are connected to the rails the wire without the resistor is connected to the frog. When the points are thrown the frog changes polarity and one or the other led's light.
It is as simple as that, but I would suggest checking out the link to Brian Lambert or ask the question on the electronics forum where on of the experts can explain better.
Hope this helps, Dave

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Re: St. Blazey's - My first layout - Stage 3 Building

Postby End2end » Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:54 pm

Well I have finally finished the last baseboard. It came already made but with only a few screws holding the top on around the edge. Now I have screwed it more securely, including to the noggins. There wasn't space in the room before to do it. This baseboard alone is 8 feet long. :shock: :lol:

There's next to nothing more I can do at the moment until I have enough in the budget to buy the next items I need to add legs with adjustable feet and componants to hold all the boards together, I've even tidied and hoovered :o but hopefully it won't take too long to raise the funds I need.
Then once all bolted together I can begin to lay track again.

On the subject of baseboard joining, my floor is a bit uneven and although the adjustable feet will solve this, how do you actually get 4 boards (in a square O shape with an operators hole in the middle of the boards) to sit exactly level with each other and across the layout as a whole?

I had the idea to take the boards outside so I have space and clamp 2 boards together, drill the siting/connecting bolts so they are exactly flush to each other for connection, but the actual levelling of all four boards once stood on thier legs is what I need to know.
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Re: St. Blazey's - My first layout - Stage 3 Building

Postby Eastern » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:59 pm

...the actual levelling of all four boards once stood on thier legs is what I need to know.
You could use a spirit level and then add shims under legs where the boards need to be levelled? I had a similar situation on my layout and haven't really noticed it -
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Postby TimberSurf » Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:44 pm

Water tube level or 6ft level across the room in the middle of boards or shorter level balanced on edge of very straight wide plank
Laser level (borrow if not willing to buy)
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Re: St. Blazey's - My first layout - Stage 3 Building

Postby End2end » Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:49 pm

Eastern wrote:You could use a spirit level and then add shims under legs where the boards need to be levelled? I had a similar situation on my layout and haven't really noticed it -


Ahh I think the adjustable baseboard feet will cover that instead of using shims.

Timbersurf could you elaborate on the actual procedures a little please?
I might know someone with a laser level not sure about a 6ft level.
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Postby TimberSurf » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:10 pm

https://www.screwfix.com/p/forge-steel- ... -set/9810c shows 2ft,4ft and 6ft levels
Spinning Laser, stick in middle of room and raise boards to just touch
Fixed laser not much use, just extends length, place in one corner and move in increments round walls and rise board to meet it
If 6ft level not available, use shorter one, but find 6ft wood plank that is wide, turn on its edge and put small level on top and use as if a long one.
Start in corner A and level B
Level A to D
Then level D to C
Then check B to C, should be OK!

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If it reaches, A to C, A to B and A to D
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Re: St. Blazey's - My first layout - Stage 3 Building

Postby Bufferstop » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:16 pm

All you need is your best rolling wagon and a couple of lengths of track. Getting the boards absolutely level isn't the same thing as getting the track, sidings in particular, level. It's a bit embarrassing if you have to install real catch points to intercept runaway wagons.
Take a look at these bracket feet they can be added anytime to existing baseboard legs.
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