Budgetbrooke

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nickbrad
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Re: Budgetbrooke: Restarted.

Postby nickbrad » Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:11 am

Unfortunately it doesn't really help now as it would require ripping out what I've already done to start again if I was able to find the products you mention, not to mention the unknown expense. I did read your thread and how you had managed to do it, but a 2hr round trip, (on foot,) to see if B&H holds stock of those things put me off. When I didn't have any replies on here on possible online suppliers, I decided to go my own route.

It seems I am doomed to receive advice after I no longer need it, but thanks anyway. If my solution doesn't work very well, I shall try your suggestion on future layouts :(

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Re: Budgetbrooke: Restarted.

Postby Notroh » Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:33 am

Sorry,

I missed the request.

Hope it all works out for you though

Peter
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Re: Budgetbrooke: Restarted.

Postby nickbrad » Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:49 pm

No worries, does you local model shop have an online store by any chance for future reference?

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Re: Budgetbrooke: Restarted.

Postby Notroh » Fri Jan 23, 2015 6:40 pm

No

And even worse, it is closing at the end of march!!!

I a popping in tomorrow so will find out the suppliers of the rod, I already know where you can get the tube so will have a trawl and come back to with you an online supplier for both by Sunday.

If you want, that is.....

Peter
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Re: Budgetbrooke: Restarted.

Postby nickbrad » Fri Jan 23, 2015 7:22 pm

Any information is useful info, even if it's not something you can use atm.

Sucks about the shop closing, here in Lincoln we are at risk of losing some unique shops as a developer has purchased The Mall and wants to gut it and turn it into yet another generic restaurant. I prefer using local shops when reasonably possible, but occasionally they price themselves out of the market and blame "overheads". The internet can be cheaper and in these times cost is important, but it's not always the case.

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Re: Budgetbrooke: Restarted.

Postby nickbrad » Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:13 pm

- £13.71 = 2 points, (1 left and 1 right brand new)

- Total = £237.51

That leaves 1 point to find, but by omitting the point temporarily for the loco shed/stabling point, I can do all the trackwork for board 2 when the points arrive in the post and finally have a running layout.
Last night I cut board 2 for the streambed, leaving a ledge for the track bridge. The roadbridge is at the front and so I have left the board intact for this. It could be considered cheating, but structural intregrity has been favoured over a slight improvement in looks.

Photos to come tomorrow evening of progress, super hyped right now! (I realise it's only a side effect of my mental illness giving me a boost, but right now I don't care :D )

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Re: Budgetbrooke: Restarted.

Postby nickbrad » Sun Jan 25, 2015 8:22 pm

Pictures!!!!


6-1-25.1.15 board 1_zps63jgdu4t.jpg

An overview of board one with most tracks placed once more now the insulation board is down, two points fitted and checked for WIT. At the back is a gratuitous shot of my two reference books for this layout, both published more than 30 years ago and both purchased in January, almost a year apart, (was one day out). Many of the Centenary's pictures are available by simple googling, but the Wild Swan publication has much more detail and a lot of exclusive pictures.



6-2-25.1.15 points closeup_zpsgncknrj5.jpg

A close up of the points and their switching wire. I had mentioned soldering paperclips together which formed a surprisingly strong rod to switch the points, but after my 4th fiddly joint, I experimented with some picture hanging wire I had in a drawer, but had discounted as I assumed it wouldn't be rigid enough. Turns out it works brilliantly even with the springs still in the points so positive location is assured.



6-3-25.1.15 streambed_zpskvcuou3w.jpg

This picture shows board 2 with the board cut for the brook that gives the layout it's name. The honeycomb construction of the boards can be seen here, I have crushed down the honeycomb in advance of the stream bed going in. The single track that will cross on a bridge still has it's base in, likewise the road that will be along the front.



I apologise for the poor lighting, my phone isn't the best thing for taking pictures, especially under an energy saving bulb.
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Re: Budgetbrooke: Restarted.

Postby skyblue » Sun Jan 25, 2015 8:27 pm

That last picture shows the benefits of this type of baseboard and approach to layout construction brilliantly - proof that you can 'dig down' to create landscape as much as you can create it by 'building up'. Well done, it looks great.

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Re: Budgetbrooke: Restarted.

Postby carnehan » Sun Jan 25, 2015 8:43 pm

I'm pleased for you that the purchasing of points has given you the buzz to get track laying done. It only takes one little positive to give you the encouragement and enthusiasm for greater things.

I'm liking the work you have done and will enjoy following its progress further.

Paul

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Re: Budgetbrooke: The continuation

Postby nickbrad » Sat Jan 31, 2015 8:16 pm

Work is progressing slowly, every time I intend to work on the layout, something else crops up and so not much happened during the week.

Unfortunately I begin with some negative stuff. I've been trying to sort out the magnetic couplings for my wagons, but there are issues. Firstly, the cyno glue I have takes longer than a few seconds to bond, try minutes unless it's skin, clothes etc, then it's instant. Metal on metal, forget it. Which brings me to my next point. The coupling system I want to use relies on plastic hooks for the couplings, so the magnet attracts the shaped wire and not the whole hook. Sadly, nearly all my stock is old with metal couplings so although on my dummy test it worked fine and the right part was attracted down, on actual wagons on the track the hook doesn't move. Worst still, quite a few of the wagons have rivetted couplings so not a simple slot in job with replacements.

Anyway, moving on, some positives.


6-4-31.1.15_stream paper rolls_zps1ywkfyvs.jpg

Here we can see some newspaper rolled up into long sausages and placed down each side of the stream bed, to help create the banks.


6-5-31.1.15_stream base_zpssltdrhwy.jpg

A piece of paper ready pva'd to go down as a base layer in the stream bed to hold everything in place. Not a very exciting picture come to think of it, I will try to make up for it once I have finished the stream base and painted it.



6-6-31.1.15_Tree 1st attempt_zpswshe7ijh.jpg

A recent logged purchase was the florist's wire and this is my early attempt at turning it into a tree. Only one branch is actually complete at this stage, but it's some progress to share all the same. Once the armature is sorted, I will be mixing up some polyfilla to cover it, ideally I want to find some cheap powder paint to mix in with the filler to avoid glaring white if it ever gets accidentally chipped. The trees will all need to be removable for when the layout isn't in use as I don't have the room really to keep it up permanently, (I don't think.......).



6-7-31.1.15_Tree height comparison_zpsmu5az8np.jpg

Another shot for scaling purposes. I don't know of any cheap chinese trees even close to this height. One of my other trees may be higher still!
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Re: Budgetbrooke: Restarted.

Postby carnehan » Sat Jan 31, 2015 8:27 pm

I don't know if this affects the glue in any way but if you are just looking something to colour the glue and want to keep it cheap how about using a something from the kitchen if you have it. I'm assuming you want it to be brown so how about a small amount of hot water mixed with instant coffee. Maybe worth an experiment. :wink:

Paul

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Re: Budgetbrooke: Restarted.

Postby nickbrad » Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:24 pm

Definitely worth trying, thanks for the idea. :D

I actually have some coffee watered down in a jar, (condensation at some point got in and messed the coffee up so rather than bin it, I decided to save it incase i could use it lol,) for weathering tracks where my locos stand so I'm surprised I didn't think of that myself lol.

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Re: Budgetbrooke: Restarted.

Postby ParkeNd » Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:24 am

Hi nickbrad. After all the kind comments you have left on my thread I thought I had better read yours from beginning to end. I have just done this now. I'm glad you are starting to get somewhere finally. My hope is that you get a result sometime soon.

My overall impression from reading your thread though is that maybe tracking the expenditure hasn't helped your layout progress.

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Re: Budgetbrooke: Restarted.

Postby nickbrad » Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:04 am

Thanks for the thoughts ParkeNd, some interesting comments and hopefully I can answer them all.

1. Tracking the expenditure hasn't really led to a lack of layout, a lack of funds for various reasons has done that. If I could walk into a shop and buy everything I want, this may well be fully complete, but working away for most of last year was a problem. As was splitting with my partner which resulted in the death of the 7x2 layout, (which leads us to 2).

2. 7x2 would give me lots more track/usable space in N I agree, but a lot of stock plus all the flexitrack I've had for years, (still have a receipt for 2001 for the full box of flexitrack and 2 Lima class 20s from trains4u). I could have sold up and switched scale and I cannot make a real convincing arguement for sticking with 00 other than it appeals to me. There is no logic there, it's just me lol.

3. Until the last year or 2, I didn't have any concrete ideas of what I wanted and moving/different spaces available didn't help with the replans, but I am happy with where I am heading now.

4. The board has caused me a few issues, but importantly they are free, plus me and a friend left 25kg, (sack of spuds,) sat on one of these shelves for a couple of weeks a few years back with no adverse effects so structural rigidity isn't a problem. The only thing is that you do need to consider protection for the wires underneath

5. The last set of SCARM shots is pretty much what I am building to apart from the signal box has gone as it would never have been necessary on this type of line. My plan is to have a working railway by the end of February so the buildings in the competition have an instant home to go to. Once all the track is down I think it will show better where I am heading.


An additional note, something of a personal nature that I choose to share with you all. I have suffered psychological trauma when I was younger which has led to mental difficulties as I've grown up and 9 years ago I was formally diagnosed with depression and given medication. Since then, I have been on multiple medications, lost a daughter, split with the love of my life and been forced to leave my other two daughters behind, (although I see them almost daily now,) seen various "medical specialists" and counsellors, (one of which was amazing and I cannot thank her enough, I just wish I still had more time with her,) and I guess what I am trying to say is that the mental capacity to progress hasn't always been there, but right now I am feeling in a fairly good place these days, I am fighting the demon fight and although I cannot win, I sure don't plan to lose any time soon.

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Re: Budgetbrooke: Restarted.

Postby VerdevaleRailway » Sun Feb 01, 2015 11:38 am

nickbrad wrote:A small update, currently rewiring the points following Brian Lambert's advice here, but have noticed an issue with the small shunter I purchased off here last week. It seems the wheel back to backs don't line up and it's causing the front wheels to jump when leading over point frogs and if going slow enough, will actually derail the train. How easy or difficult is it to move the wheels out by about a millimeter, bearing in mind the body has been glued on so ideally I'd rather not be hacking it about.
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Did you manage to figure out how to adjust the Back to Backs?? (I realise it was from a little while ago :))
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