Metcalfe Steam Depot in OO - Engine Shed arrives 17/7

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Re: Metcalfe Steam Depot in OO - Photo update 19 June

Postby Zunnan » Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:05 pm

THIS should clear up the numbering quandry with 7211. It was indeed a Johnson 2441 class 3F of Vulcan Foundry origin being built in 1899, almost identical to the old Triang model following the fitting of a Belpaire firebox when they were rebuilt by Fowler. It was originally numbered 2452 by the MR and carried this number until the class was renumbered into the 7200-7259 range in the mid '30s.

The boarding around the coaling stage is a nice feature, I wish it were used on the prototype for 21B (Bournville) as that would be a nice touch for us to model when we come to it. I wonder how dimensionally accurate the Metcalfe kit actually is, this has seeded a fiendish plan to build an N Gauge version hopefully using the kit as a guide...

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Re: Metcalfe Steam Depot in OO - Photo update 19 June

Postby Alright John » Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:03 pm

Thanks for solving the numbering issue.

So its correct on my Triang model :D . Now to sort out the missing parts.

As to the Metcalfe accuracy I can't help. It does look proportionately correct for coaling one locomotive.

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Re: Metcalfe Steam Depot in OO - Photo update 19 June [Page 2]

Postby Alright John » Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:00 pm

Thought some of you might want to see the the unglamorous back of the coaling stage

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Wagon Question

Postby Alright John » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:19 pm

I am held up on the building/infrastructure side waiting on sourcing some more Metcalfe parts for the engine shed and the low relief background.

So I thought I would turn my attention to rolling stock

I am going to put together 2 rakes of about 4 coal wagons to deliver to the coaling stage

I will probably run 2 completely different time periods (4 rakes)

Pre 1939/45 and post nationalisation.

Any suggestions?

posting Photos of your loaded wagons or links really appreciated

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Re: Metcalfe Steam Depot in OO - Photo update 19 June

Postby Alright John » Sun Jun 26, 2011 10:53 pm

Zunnan wrote:The boarding around the coaling stage is a nice feature, I wish it were used on the prototype for 21B (Bournville) as that would be a nice touch for us to model when we come to it. I wonder how dimensionally accurate the Metcalfe kit actually is, this has seeded a fiendish plan to build an N Gauge version hopefully using the kit as a guide...


I have seen a couple of longer OO coaling stages in stone up for sale on ebay this weekend sporting 5 bays.

Perhaps it is an older kit

Might be worth looking out for in N ?

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Re: Metcalfe Steam Depot in OO - Coal Wagon Question (26/6)

Postby Alright John » Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:39 pm

From searching on NRM it appears that for the latter period 16 ton steel mineral wagons is possibly what I need

But which one?

http://www.ehattons.com/stocklist/resul ... on%20steel

Which colour? Grey or bauxite

With or without top flat?

Or should it be pressed end door?

Anybody know which was used when, where or under what circumstances?

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Re: Metcalfe Steam Depot in OO - Coal Wagon Question (26/6)

Postby siquelme » Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:18 pm

Not sure about LMS/BR wagons but I have some info on the GWR ones

http://www.gwr.org.uk/nondiags.html

Is a link to one of my favourite websites (GWR Modelling) which has an article about all the differing types of coal wagons they use.
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The coal wagons at Didcot

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The wagons I am going to use are the Dapol 20t steal mineral GWR style coal wagons (and they look like the Didcot ones). The Dapol are expensive for a rake but I am only going to have a couple (2 or 3).


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Re: Metcalfe Steam Depot in OO - Coal Wagon Question (26/6)

Postby Alright John » Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:23 pm

I have had a read through the relevant pages at gwr.org

As you say does not help much with LMS/BR but interesting all the same.

In the reference/bibliography section it mentioned;

"The main reference throughout is "A History of GWR Goods Wagons", Atkins, Beard, Hyde & Tourret "

If you need anything from this volume I do have ready access (neighbour) to this book

I have a similar volume an Illustrated history of Midland Wagons Volume 2, R J Essery
I think I need Volume 1 to answer my questions though :(

I'm off to Manchester tomorrow for 3 days so a trawl through the book shops will have to be on the to do list

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Re: Metcalfe Steam Depot in OO - Coal Wagon Question (26/6)

Postby Alright John » Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:56 pm

siquelme wrote:Image
The wagons I am going to use are the Dapol 20t steal mineral GWR style coal wagons (and they look like the Didcot ones). The Dapol are expensive for a rake but I am only going to have a couple (2 or 3).


Is the Dapol model based on the old Airfix mould?
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Re: Metcalfe Steam Depot in OO - Coal Wagon Question (26/6)

Postby siquelme » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:00 pm

That is something I don't know sorry

I saw them and they reminded me off the ones that I have seen around Didcot which is the reason I purchased them
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Re: Metcalfe Steam Depot in OO - Coal Wagon Question (26/6)

Postby Free_at_last » Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:06 pm

Pete.
Gauge is not spelt guage. Remember to put another "m" in remeber. Manufacturers has two "r"s in.
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Re: Metcalfe Steam Depot in OO - Coal Wagon Question (26/6)

Postby Garethp8873 » Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:45 pm

From what I can tell, I reckon they are based on the old Airfix mould. GWR 20T Loco Wagons never had a door at the front, only at the sides. The Didcot (63066) and Severn Valley's (83831) GWR Loco Wagons are both very good examples to study. Here's one photo I have of GWR 83821. I will be off to Didcot next week, so if you want me to pick up any photos of their Loco Wagon, I can try for you.

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Re: Metcalfe Steam Depot in OO - Coal Wagon Question (26/6)

Postby Alright John » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:41 pm

Garethp8873 wrote:From what I can tell, I reckon they are based on the old Airfix mould. GWR 20T Loco Wagons never had a door at the front, only at the sides. The Didcot (63066) and Severn Valley's (83831) GWR Loco Wagons are both very good examples to study. Here's one photo I have of GWR 83821. I will be off to Didcot next week, so if you want me to pick up any photos of their Loco Wagon, I can try for you.

Garethp8873.


Thanks for the information.

I have a couple of Airfix wagons around somewhere so I might put them on the renumbering and weathering list for one day.

Additional photos would be appreciated if its not to much trouble.

Now all I need to find out is what the Midland did about their loco coal deliveries

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Re: Metcalfe Steam Depot in OO - Laying of the Engine Shed floor

Postby Alright John » Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:27 am

A trip to Manchester last week put a number of other jobs having a higher priority at the weekend other than working on the depot.

I did however manage to make a start on the engine shed floor.

The following sequence of photographs should illustrate what I have done
For the side walls I utilised some spare brick paper.

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For the floor covering I used the free scalescenes inspection pit : http://www.scalescenes.com/products/R002c


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The floor is far to clean for a steam shed but I though those interested in diesel might find the images useful before I "dirty" things.

If I was retaining the floor as is I would have ran a some colour along the cut edges to remove the white of the card as advised in the instructions

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Re: Metcalfe Steam Depot in OO - Laying of the engine shed floor

Postby siquelme » Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:01 pm

Looks good

I see you had the same idea as me with the inspection pits using scaledale freebies but lined using metcalfe brickwork to match the engine shed etc... What are planning to use to glaze your engine sheds and use on the inside?
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