Waton - N gauge challenge

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Re: Waton - N gauge challenge

Postby ElDavo » Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:17 am

Let's try that one more time. Rather than dig up the river and start from scratch I decided to paint over the cloudy PVA and add more layers of PVA. This time I am trying to be patient and using thinner coatings of PVA with nice(?) long drying intervals between them. I'm itching to add another layer today but as it's raining I'll leave it for a bit. Here is where it is at after the repaint and two layers of PVA. Not too shabby surprisingly. I've lost some of the more subtle textures I was trying to get on the river bed as the grit and dust that I had laid are buried under the milky PVA but it'll probably do and time is of the essence.

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Re: Waton - N gauge challenge

Postby 0121modeller » Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:32 am

Dave, Have you tried using quick drying varnish, daily applied in layers , instead of using PVA for the river ?

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Re: Waton - N gauge challenge

Postby Stewart Gethin » Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:45 am

It looks good so far. but yeah have you tried varnish? i havent used it but by looking at other people's layouts it looks blooming good, but your pva looks good :P i like all the stuff thats collected at the bottom of the bridge supports, very effective.

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Re: Waton - N gauge challenge

Postby ElDavo » Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:44 pm

Varnish was an option. I decided to try PVA glue having seen results obtained by others and on the basis that many of the current water soluble quick-drying varnishes seem to be PVA! We shall see if this was a good call in due time.

Not much progress over the last couple of days due to an excess of socialising taking up almost all modelling time. Did get some fence etches from Pete Harvey of PH Designs and starting experimenting. Very detailed fine etches. Fences in N Gauge are awful small and fragile so I've started with a gate and a bit of fence nice and close to the backscene. Even in this "safe" area it has got clobbered more than once already!

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Re: Waton - N gauge challenge

Postby Stewart Gethin » Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:18 pm

That fence looks fairly decent. Better than anything i could do. that is one problem with N gauge, the amount of fidely small stuff there is, i struggle with OO ;P

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Re: Waton - N gauge challenge

Postby ElDavo » Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:43 pm

As always when I have a huge list of stuff that needs doing I get distracted and play with something else! A week ago I bought a new airbrush and compressor, primarily because I needed to do some work on Cramdin Yard, but today I thought I'd have a play. I've never used an airbrush for weathering only ever using brushed acrylics and powders so why not give it a try?

I've been aquiring odd bits and peces of rollingstock for Waton over the last few months and almost all of it is in it's original pristine livery, far too clean for a working railway. Enter a couple of willing(?) victims. I acquired a pair of the early version Dapol EWS 66s now christened "The grumbly twins". They work fine but have the noisy Dapol mechanism. Some attention and running has smoothed them out considerably but they still aren't the quietest by a long chalk. Good enough to pull the odd freight train though. Here is 66050 as she came out of the box.

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Five minutes later and she has a had a very dilute wash of browny/grey acrylic applied none too carefully with a brush. This is to add some shading and help pick out some of the moulded detail. Not a lot of difference but you can now see the bodyside corrugations more clearly.

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Out with the airbrush. The roof area has had wafts of black to represent the oily soot and muck that accumulates. I've tried to get some variation but I'm not sure it's come out as I intended. Maybe I should have started with a plan? The uderframe and bogey areas have all been sprayed with several thin coats of raw umber acrylic to generally dirty things up. A smidgeon of black weathering powder was also dabbed around the exhaust area. When I was reasonably happy with the effects the model was then given the merest misting of Ronseal Matt varnish to try and seal/protect things.

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Here she is with her sister also in a rather workstained though not filthy state. Not sure whether(!) I'm happy with the result but I'll live with them for a while then see if I want to add or remove anything.

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Re: Waton - N gauge challenge

Postby ElDavo » Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:59 pm

Having said I would leave the 66s for a couple of days before doing anything more of course I didn't! The underframe colour didn't look right so out came the Tamiya weathering materials and a few dabs with the squirrel hair brush and the bogeys etc. are now more muddy. While I was at it I thought I would give the glazing a coat of Johnson's Klear to hopefully make it look more glass like.

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Re: Waton - N gauge challenge

Postby champion » Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:12 pm

Lovely pics of a well produced and highly detailed loco.I had a few dapol sheds at the start of my layout and prevered them to farish.Lovely looking progress on the layout aswell.Look forward to more.

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Re: Waton - N gauge challenge

Postby ElDavo » Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:41 pm

The river is turning out to be a real pain in the ... After 4 coats of PVA (2nd time round) done over about 4 days it was starting to look OK. I thought I'd add just one more to build the depth. The glue dried and cleared and things were looking good then the surface started to dull and cloud a little. I left it a couple of days and it didn't seem to get any worse.

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I decided I would just have to live with it but, following other folks experiences, I decided to add a final coat of clear varnish to add a bit of shine to it.
I routed around in the cupboards but didn't seem to have any gloss varnish but did have some Johnson's Klear floor polish. As some may know this is pretty much an acrylic gloss varnish so I decided to give it a whirl. On went the Klear and very quickly the PVA turned white. Not just misty but white!

Having coated it with Klear there wasn't much I could do. I couldn't get it off so I just stood there in wonderment(!). If there was scope for panic this would have been the time to do it. I walked out and left it assuming it was done for. After a short interlude doing other more mindless things, like browsing the forums, I returned to the garage to do something else and lo and behold what did I find?

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The white mess was turning clear! Not just the surface but it seemed as though some of the milkiness deeper into the PVA was clearing as well. Really odd. I thought in for a penny in for a pound and whacked on a second coat of Klear. Not all the surface turned white this time, just some of it. After a few hours again things were clearing except for an odd patch at the front left corner. I left it overnight to see what would happen.

This morning surprise, surprise the formerly cloudy corner has cleared. Yay! Unfortunately the rest of it has started to mist over again. Very very strange.

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I plan to leave it a couple of days and then possibly whack on one final coat of Klear. If that doesn't sort it this may be turned into a muddy congested riverbed with very little water flowing.

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Re: Waton - N gauge challenge

Postby Stewart Gethin » Sun Aug 01, 2010 7:06 pm

tehehe, It would have been absoulouteley gutting for you if you found out that it misted and wouldnt go away at this stage.

It seems to be looking good now though. Get some pictures of it up once you've finished doing it :P

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Re: Waton - N gauge challenge

Postby champion » Tue Aug 03, 2010 6:45 am

You could put some fish in called tench they are good at clearing muddy water,no seriously hope it does clear up mate and let us no the results.

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Re: Waton - N gauge challenge

Postby Grahame » Tue Aug 03, 2010 7:38 am

The layout is coming along very nicely since I last dropped in. Keep up the good work. It's great to see the development of all aspects.

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Re: Waton - N gauge challenge

Postby Thunderbird » Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:48 pm

seriously now your at it in N....hand made trackwork, fences only you ( the forums, and quite possibly the press) will see..are you insane? what next actual flying birds and swimming fish...?

only joking...

your attention to details and your inginuity are stunningly amazing. Are you sure that your not a professional modeller?

Waton is already showing the signs of quality that Cramdin Yard has...your work just leaves me utterly speachless..
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Re: Waton - N gauge challenge

Postby ElDavo » Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:31 pm

The never ending saga of the river continues. I left the whole thing alone for several days and it seemed to stabilise. Not entirely clear but only slightly cloudy in places. I figured the cloudiness is not going to go away so I better find a way of using it. To that end I have applied a number of thin coats of Johnson's Klear with different tints to it. Some brown and some green. I think these have disguised the white cloudiness to the point that it is now workable, just.

It still seems to vary from day to day so I plan to leave it alone for a long time (famous last words) and get on with other stuff. Hopefully it will stabilise sufficiently that I can then just make a few fine adjustments. Here is where we are at. It doesn't really show in its best light in a photo. Actually I should probably say I can't take a good shot of it!

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Re: Waton - N gauge challenge

Postby ElDavo » Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:46 pm

Must be something to do with all the rain we've been having. Leave a baseboard a couple of days and when you come back to it the grass has grown!

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