Birmingham New Street and Brettell Road in P4

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Re: Birmingham New Street and Brettell Road in P4

Postby luckymucklebackit » Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:14 pm

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Re: Birmingham New Street and Brettell Road in P4

Postby Jim S-W » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:36 pm

The subject of couplings tends to come up at most shows. Each have their own ideas whether manual or autocouplings are best. I'm firmly in the manual camp and within reason I like couplings to look like the thing they are supposed to represent. Yes I know the infamous 'hand of god' grates to some but, to me, I like to suspend my belief for a second or 2 while an operator couples up rather than something looking wrong 100% of the time due to some weird design of autocoupling. On Brettell Road I have kind of the best and worst case scenario at the same time for the hand of god problem. Best case because its dark and its easier to hide it. Worst case because if the operators have any hope of seeing what they are doing you need a light! Image
I can appreciate that this might well be the ultimate per peeve for some. Bit like my own of tipped from the box road vehicles or magnificently modelled signals with a flat etch for the ladder, so is there another way? Well there might be!
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The couplings on this wagon have been modified do that they can be seen in the dark. in the light there are no derogatory side effects but in the dark...
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...and under a UV light coupling hook they are clearly visible. Potentially easier to see than inter the normal pen torch. The UV torch I have does still give out visible light so the next mission is to find a truly black light source. By marking the coupling link, the wagon hook and the end of the coupling probe with a UV marker I might have a reasonably invisible manual coupling method.

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Re: Birmingham New Street and Brettell Road in P4

Postby Jim S-W » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:36 pm

Of the 5 layouts I have regularly helped to exhibit 3 have used a cassette system and this always seems to generate interest at shows. Cassettes are one of those weird things in model railways that everyone seems to be aware of but no one ever really explains to anyone. I have to hold my hands up and say I am not really a fan of them but for Brettell Road I didn't really have a lot of options. This is how my cassette system works (other methods are available).
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The baseboards were designed with a recess for the cassettes.
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The connecting end of the cassette itself. this is the third revision. The track is only actually stuck to the cassette at this end via the copper clad. the rest is merely clamped between the cassette and the inner piece that runs down it's length.

I say third revision because the way it connect to the layout has been a tad problematic. initially I had extra rails outside of the running rails that transferred power to the copperclad sleepers by sitting over the top. This worked for the vertical alignment and at the test session at Phil's seemed to be fine for horizontal too. However in terms of transmitting the power it wasn't 100% and as Simon (one of the operators) pointed out - it was likely to wear through the copperclad at some point.

For Scaleforum I retained the extra rails for alignment but added phosphor bronze strips for electrical connection. these were better but fragile. Also oddly we had horizontal alignment problems that hadn't shown up before.
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This is my revised arrangement that I am happy with so far. It seems reliable in tests but until the layout goes to its next show we wont be absolutely sure. It does look a little bit more complicated than it needs to be due to 2 tracks feeding in from the layout.
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The basic idea is that a piece of flatbottom rail mounted sideways and into the web of the running rail does all the alignment and power transmission. you might have noticed that the rail in the cassette picture wasn't attached to the first sleeper. this is because it's slightly tweaked outwards and is held in line by the flatbottom rail. The advantage of this is that its robust but easily adjustable if needed. So far in tests the derailment problem hasn't re-occured.
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The cassette in place. I also have some half length ones too.
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Re: Birmingham New Street and Brettell Road in P4

Postby End2end » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:25 pm

Jim S-W wrote:The couplings on this wagon have been modified do that they can be seen in the dark. in the light there are no derogatory side effects but in the dark...and under a UV light coupling hook they are clearly visible.

Great idea "yoink" I think I'll be plagiarizing this idea. :D
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Re: Birmingham New Street and Brettell Road in P4

Postby Jim S-W » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:43 pm

As you may be aware my friend Phil has taken over the wagon bits and kits side of Colin Criag's useful range and set up Stenson models. Its hoped this will grant Colin more time to develop stuff as well as new things Phil wants to develop himself.
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One of the new bits is this rather handy etch for the HEA steps. Phil has used some good thinking in the design ensuring that the end result has a neat and robust way of actually attaching to the wagon (some purveyors of etched bits take note). The same steps were found on the MEA and MFA wagons too. One down 17 to go!

http://www.stensonmodels.co.uk
http://www.stensonmodels.co.uk/product/hea-mea-mfa-footsteps-sm19d/

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Re: Birmingham New Street and Brettell Road in P4

Postby m.levin » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:17 pm

Will have to bookmark his site for future projects.

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Re: Birmingham New Street and Brettell Road in P4

Postby Jim S-W » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:19 pm

I currently have 3 projects lined up that involve taking a razor saw to old Hornby models. This is the first one and to be fair there's a lot more Bachmann in it than Hornby.

Class 25/0

This has been on my to do list for years. When we used to help my friend David exhibit Amlwch we had all of the main variations of class 24 and 25 except for the 25/0. But then David sold the layout and it just went in to the abandoned project pile. With class 25's being one of my favourite classes it made sense to resurrect the project for Brettell road so...
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...following the same pattern as my late body style class 25s this is a hybrid of Hornby cabs on a Bachmann body. The Bachmann model having the correct raised bodyside grills for a 25/0 but the wrong cab roof shape while the Hornby cabs having the right shaped windows (more of that in a moment) and the headcode boxes. As I am doing an original condition loco with valances the effect of chopping up the underframe as I did on my other 25s isn't so much of a win but I did rearrange the bits of underframe you could see to better match my prototype. The original 25/0's had no steam heating so there is no water tank.

The beading on the roof was redone in the correct place and the panel Bachmann missed off was added. These panels seemed to vary a lot. The grill is from Shawplan. Moving on to the cabs the comment of the windows being correct isn't strictly accurate. The important thing is that the top of them is right but the center window is too small and the main windows, although right for a later 25 are too big for a 25/0. The side window is also a bit high and a bit too far forward. Filing and microstrip sorted them out. I re-used the bottom section of the Bachmann cab and but the buffer beams off and mounted them to the body.
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After a blast of primer to check that the joins were good I set to work adding in panel lines, the tail lights, cab front handrails and the row of rivets around the base of the base of the cab (archers transfers). The cab vents and exhaust are from the Brassmasters etch. Next stage will be paint.

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Re: Birmingham New Street and Brettell Road in P4

Postby Jim S-W » Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:43 pm

My class 25/0 is now done. Here are some pictures.
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I don't normally like a pre-weathering shot as its not finished yet. But some people do. Below some now customary moody shots.
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(well you kind of expected the last one didn't you?)

Wagon News

As I mentioned in one of the post scaleforum posts I found i had more wagons than really necessary. So I'm planing to just finish off those in the to do pile and try to resist adding any more.
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Nearest is a diagram 2049 wooden ended open with steel reinforcement. this uses the Parkside sides and underframe with a Rumney Models kit for the ends. Behind is another standard 20 ton brakevan, this time from Bachmann.

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Re: Birmingham New Street and Brettell Road in P4

Postby Jim S-W » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:06 pm

If you remember I was toying with the idea of using a UV torch for my coupling pole but the one I had gave out a lot of visible light. I've upgraded to a much better UV laser torch and since photographing it is quite difficult I did a video instead.  I did try adding a filter to block the visible light completely but it made it extremely hard to use.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/oWrACsGqGTw

On the subject of videos, may I invite you to get a comfy chair and a mince-pie and spend a while line side watching a bit of shunting. (this one is all diesel)

https://www.youtube.com/embed/ONzu6_vbmnA

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Re: Birmingham New Street and Brettell Road in P4

Postby carnehan » Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:46 pm

Lovely running session Jim, I really like the point when the DMU travels through the scene. Some more of those videos would be a delight.

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Re: Birmingham New Street and Brettell Road in P4

Postby RailwayRobbo » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:12 pm

Excellent pictures and videos as usual Jim.
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Re: Birmingham New Street and Brettell Road in P4

Postby Jim S-W » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:37 pm

carnehan wrote:Lovely running session Jim, I really like the point when the DMU travels through the scene. Some more of those videos would be a delight.

Paul


Thanks both

I intend to do a steam version soon.

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Re: Birmingham New Street and Brettell Road in P4

Postby Jim S-W » Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:04 pm

Recently I’ve been working on a Dapol GWR railcar project. Modifications included conversion to p4, replacing the motor with a Mashima so it’s all under the floor, rebuilding the interior, and cutting away the chassis and side skirt to show the engine. Here are some pictures of the end result.

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Re: Birmingham New Street and Brettell Road in P4

Postby Jim S-W » Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:12 pm

Up until now I have been using various gloss varnishes to attempt to make Brettell Road look wet. The results have been somewhat mixed especially on the ground itself. So I've given a few AK interactive products a try, still water and wet effect. Here are a few pictures of the results so far (Yes it is dry)

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The Still water is a self levelling resin and it's quite thick. The wet effects is an enamel. What you see in the pictures is a mixture of both products.

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Re: Birmingham New Street and Brettell Road in P4

Postby End2end » Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:24 pm

Although I use the BK uncoupling method wherever possible I do have some older wagons that cannot be easily converted.
My answer was to use a telescopic magnet on a stick to uncouple those with original couplings and it does work a treat on most but I think I can apply your UV technique to those too. By painting the coupling hooks and adding the light to my magnet on a stick it would make it even easier as uncoupling still needs to be done from above.
With that said would it be possible for a parts / shopping list / weblinks for what you have used please Jim?
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Edit: I was posting while you were posting....
Both Mrs End2end and myself think the last 2 pictures look like a wet November early evening. Yep. WET! :D
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