6x4 Starter layout - For sale?

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Re: 6x4 Starter layout - new pictures

Postby Polyrhythms » Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:11 pm

Nice work, really like it :)

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Re: 6x4 Starter layout - new platform surface?

Postby jamest » Sat Mar 27, 2010 3:24 pm

Hi Again,

The sunny weather has been playing havoc with my platform surface (card with printed scalescenes top) so I decided to rip it up and replace it with grey painted plasticard. The paint I used was semi-gloss and so I sprayed it with matt varnish. Rather than do a little bit to check the reaction I did the male thing and sprayed the lot!
Unfortunately (or so I thought) the paint/varnish started to crack up. I won't tell you my immediate reaction as it is unprintable! :evil:
I set about rubbing it down to re-paint with a lighter matt grey when I noticed the rubbed down surface looked quite interesting. It showed 'black' cracks in places (original plasticard colour) and looked lovely and worn. I can't claim it to be a technique as such but I think it looks alright:
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I'd welcome any comments you all might have.

I've also thought about changing the shed to a peco one. Again, I probably could have protected it better but, the card one is starting to fade a bit. I need to finish it and extend the concrete base a bit -but here it is 'plonked' down to see how it looks:
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I've also got some piccys of my latest two trains. 5 picture limit on the posts so I'll add them later.

Cheers,
James

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Re: 6x4 Starter layout - new platform surface?

Postby jamest » Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:02 pm

Hi again,

Here are the two new loco pictures I promised in the last post.

My triple grey vitrains class 37:
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and Bachmann large logo class 47:
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Cheers,
James

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Re: 6x4 Starter layout - new platform surface?

Postby bizzyd6405 » Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:10 pm

great photo's as ever James really like the large logo class 47 is it one of bachmann new ones?

look forward to seeing more progress

cheers

Darren

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Re: 6x4 Starter layout - new platform surface?

Postby jamest » Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:09 pm

bizzyd6405 wrote:great photo's as ever James really like the large logo class 47 is it one of bachmann new ones?

look forward to seeing more progress

cheers

Darren



Hi Darren,

Thanks for the comments.

Yes it is the new baccy, it came in a 'new style' box but I don't know if it is a new model or a rehash of a previous one. I noticed from your thread you were interested in the intercity one. I'd go for it (funds permitting :D ). It really is a lovely runner.

cheers James

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Re: 6x4 Starter layout - new platform surface?

Postby trainsandco » Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:17 pm

jamest wrote:
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YUCK!!! whats that in the background?!?!?!? :P ;) :lol:

Ben
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Re: 6x4 Starter layout - new platform surface?

Postby jamest » Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:10 pm

trainsandco wrote:
jamest wrote:
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YUCK!!! whats that in the background?!?!?!? :P ;) :lol:

Ben


Hi Ben,

Not to everyones taste!

But if my son wants to live in my house I'm afraid he has to wear it! At 8 hes a bit young to fend for himself :D

Cheers,
James

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Re: 6x4 Starter layout - new platform surface?

Postby SouthernBoy » Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:24 pm

I think that platform surface is a real 'happy accident' :)
Could you tell us how to replicate it?
Like you have a base coat of gray over the Plasticard, then a semi-gloss varnish, topped with a matt varnish: So was it a reaction of oil based and water based paints mixed together that caused the effect? Or where they all water based (for eg) but a layer hadn't dried properly before the next was applied?

I'm just curious as I can see it being a very effective technique for many things (old concrete retaining walls/worn out roads/concrete hard-standing in depots - that sort of thing) :)

I can picture your initial reaction though :shock:

Thanks

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Re: 6x4 Starter layout - new platform surface?

Postby jamest » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:48 pm

SouthernBoy wrote:I think that platform surface is a real 'happy accident' :)
Could you tell us how to replicate it?
Like you have a base coat of gray over the Plasticard, then a semi-gloss varnish, topped with a matt varnish: So was it a reaction of oil based and water based paints mixed together that caused the effect? Or where they all water based (for eg) but a layer hadn't dried properly before the next was applied?

I'm just curious as I can see it being a very effective technique for many things (old concrete retaining walls/worn out roads/concrete hard-standing in depots - that sort of thing) :)

I can picture your initial reaction though :shock:

Thanks


Hi,

Hmmm - not sure I could replicate it, let alone explain it to someone else! I think I'll have to experiment (away from the layout!) to see what best re-creates the effect.

Here goes on an explanation of the ingredients/method:
I painted the surface with an enamel humbrol grey (156) which is a satin finish - miles too shiny.
So I decided to spray it with the only matt varnish I had. An aerosol I bought from an art and craft shop that I intended to use to protect my scalescenes printed stuff. It is described as "Winsor & Newton all purpose matt varnish" for general purpose arts and crafts.
In my opinion the paint was dry when I applied the varnish. The real mystery is weather the amount of varnish caused the cracking (it did seem to be the areas that were best covered) or whether it was simply a bad reaction. It did not crack all over which leans me away from a reaction problem.
The 'cracks' were raised paint and the effect you see came from rubbing down the cracked ridges. Originally I did this to prepare for rework but it emphasized the cracks and dulled the rest of the surface - job done!
When I was rubbing the surface down the varnish came off as well in places, but the remaining rough surface was dull. In places were the varnish 'edge' was exposed I could rub with my finger and the varnish would come away in small 'flakes'?

If I find any more out I'll be sure to publish the results.

Cheers,
James

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Re: 6x4 Starter layout - new platform surface?

Postby GunnerBill » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:19 pm

I'd say that accidental surface is spot on. It looks just like a sun damaged old tarmac surface. Nice!

The image below shows a damaged surface and then the same surface sealed. Take your pick, your surface looks like it could be either.

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Re: 6x4 Starter layout - new platform surface?

Postby craw607 » Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:37 pm

Just wondering why you are going to change your shed.
Surely if it is fading does this not make it more realistic
as if sides were metal cladding the would fade and peel
with the weather.
John

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Re: 6x4 Starter layout - new platform surface?

Postby jamest » Mon Apr 05, 2010 5:54 pm

craw607 wrote:Just wondering why you are going to change your shed.
Surely if it is fading does this not make it more realistic
as if sides were metal cladding the would fade and peel
with the weather.
John


Hi John,

If I'm honest I'm looking for excuses there - I actually just prefer the peco one. I know it appears on a lot of layouts and is less original - but I plan to paint it and weather it down a bit.

Cheers,
James

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Re: 6x4 Starter layout - new platform surface?

Postby jamest » Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:15 pm

Hi all,

Been spreading green stuff this weekend.

The embankment has been a basic green for a while so I decided to have a go with different shades and some bushes to cover the edges of the brickwork.
I actually think the camera has been kind as I'm not as pleased with it in real life. The bit I found difficult was the 'brown' area between the slopes and the track ballast. I started making it mostly green but then plumped for the brown weedy effect you see below.
I used a lighter and darker green than the original colour along with some with purple mixed in. The foliage is woodland scenics stuff - I've got a bit of scatter on it in some places in my haste, which I'll pick off later.

Here goes - I'd welcome any advice you all have:

Overall view
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Close up of 'brown' area - is it called the 'cess'?
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One side close up:
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And the other:
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And one with the 108:
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Cheers,
James

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Re: 6x4 Starter layout - scenic work

Postby rocketman » Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:20 pm

Yours is not my chosen period but your modeling is very impressive.
rocketman

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Re: 6x4 Starter layout - scenic work

Postby jamest » Thu Apr 08, 2010 6:45 pm

Hi all,

Just taken delivery of another engine via ebay. I couldn't resist interrupting my running in session to take some pictures in my new favourite spot:
Bachmann class 24. I still need to finish off the brickwork with coping stones. First lesson on scenics for me - step back and leave it alone - it always looks better the next day!
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I bought some maintenance workers at the Ilfracombe show on Saturday:
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Cheers,
james


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